Primitive art of the peoples of Africa, Oceania, Asia

[SAH]

These photos made at the museum on the island Santorini.Neznayu primitive if it is art or not but decided pokazat.Po time figures ооочень ancient but a century nepomnyu.Mne liked the design figurok.I spread some more of the island itself will tell you which impresses with its beauty.

[IrinaC]

Сообщение от SAH

These photos made at the museum on the island Santorini.Neznayu primitive if it is art or not but decided pokazat.Po time figures ооочень ancient but a century nepomnyu.Mne liked the design figurok.I spread some more of the island itself tell you that impresses with its beauty.

Santorini is impressive. He really is as good as the photos? mixed reviews, from negative to vostozhennyh

[SAH]

Сообщение от IrinaC

mixed reviews, from negative to vostozhennyh

He is absolutely horosh.Tam very beautiful sunsets. Some believe that the best in mire.Belo blue-color ostrova.Ogromnoe number of small private tserkvey.Ostrov very handsome and charming.

[AlexanderG]

To SAH - ochen 'krasivo i zamechatel'no podtverzdaet teoriiu Komara i Melamida.
Liudi liubiat landscape v sine - golubyh tonah!

To Art - Lover

Naschiot Picasso pereubedit 'menia dovol'no trudno, uz slishkom on byl horoshii bisnesman i marketer.

half-civilization of the European (European-American, evroavstraliyskogo) Observer - sovershenno ne soglasen!
U nas i prodolzitel'nost 'zisni pobol'she. Tsivilizatsiia ne est 'zlo i dushitel'.
No esli komu-to hochetsia nazad v peschery ...

Iskusstvo imeet absoliutnye fisiologicheskie korni, ia gde-to uze pisal po etomu povodu.

Kstati, Ia lichno bol'shoi poklonnik primitiva, no ne afrikanskogo, a skazem hudoznikov kak Pirosmani, Priimachenko, Lawrie, Russo.

Pikasso daze ustroil ober v chest 'Russo. No dlia menia primitivism vysheukazannyh hudoznikov v korne otlichaetsia ot Afrikanskogo.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Na moi vzgliad, eto prosto remeslo ik iskusstvu otnosheniia ne imeet.
Mozet byt 'ia pereel etogo v Au i NZ, no interesa vsio eto lichno u menia ne vyzyvaet.
Kstati, imel bezresul'tatnuiu besedu so svoim professorom po istorii iskusstv, gde pytalsia vyiasnit 'chem otlichaetsia odinakovye po kachestvu ispolneniia raboty is Afriki ili, naprimer, sdelannye nemtsami ili russkimi dlia tolkuchki.
Otveta ne poluchil

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Art-lover: The gulf between the consciousness of modern European and African artist and magician are not so insurmountable.

Mozno seriozno posporit 'po etomu povodu. Is moego opyta - sovershenno ne preodolima.
A zachem preodolevat '? My sovsem rasnye.

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

U nas i prodolzitel'nost 'zisni pobol'she. Tsivilizatsiia ne est 'zlo i dushitel'.
No esli komu-to hochetsia nazad v peschery ...

Iskusstvo imeet absoliutnye fisiologicheskie korni

AlexanderG, I read your posts in this topic, and realized why the professor is difficult to answer your questions.

First of all, because you already have the answers.
You close the positivistic approach to life, and travel through time and space to the origins of artistic form and spirit, which gives us the possibility of creative people that are close to nature, you probably are not the most interesting kind of tourism.

Therefore, we will argue about anything.
For me, the physiological roots of the art relative to you - are absolute.
Evidently, you think in the comprehensive progress of civilization, for me it is obvious that in a series of historical epochs of civilization may be accompanied by a spiritual regression.
For you, the absence or presence of ethnic culture developed aesthetic terminology is a criterion for distinguishing between savage and civilized formotvorchestva craft fine art, but I remember that age 20y undermined the credibility of Western civilization metadiskursu worked out the art and thus identified a new twist to the sources.

However, I hope, all these differences do not prevent us from being in EXCELLENT relations.

(PS The fact that the Russian artisan could easily repeat an African mask - it does not detract from the dignity of the prototype and its pervoizobretateley. Unique is not a specific mask (if we disregard the question of energy), and the historical fact of birth of great art form).

[AlexanderG]

To Art-Lover

Nakonets vybral nemnogo vremeni, chto by otvetit '.

First of all, because you already have the answers.

Ne stol'ko otvety, skol'ko aktivnaia ziznennaiia positsiia, tviordaia ubezdionnost '(ne putat' s neterpimost'iu), opredelionnyi professional'nyi opyt, i vozmoznost 'sravnivat' raslichnye sotsial'nye uklady.


You close the positivistic approach to life, and travel through time and space to the origins of artistic form and spirit, which gives us the possibility of creative people that are close to nature, you probably are not the most interesting kind of tourism.

Vy pravy, s prirodoi u menia ne slozilos', vyros v gorode i nostal'gii po prirode ne ispytyvaiu.

Therefore, we will argue about anything.

My i ne sporim, a vyskazyvaem mneniia, kotorye ne obiazatel'no dolzny sovpadat '.

For me, the physiological roots of the art relative to you - are absolute.

Eto fakt ne zavisiaschii ot moego ili vashego mneniia.


Evidently, you think in the comprehensive progress of civilization, for me it is obvious that in a series of historical epochs of civilization may be accompanied by a spiritual regression.

Eto ochen 'dlinnyi razgovor.

For you, the absence or presence of ethnic culture developed aesthetic terminology is a criterion for distinguishing between savage and civilized formotvorchestva craft fine art, but I remember that age 20y undermined the credibility of Western civilization metadiskursu worked out the art and thus identified a new twist to the sources.

However, I hope, all these differences do not prevent us from being in EXCELLENT relations.

Nikogda ne pomeshaiut!

(PS The fact that the Russian artisan could easily repeat an African mask - it does not detract from the dignity of the prototype and its pervoizobretateley. Unique is not a specific mask (if we disregard the question of energy), and the historical fact of birth magnificent art form) .

Naschiot posledei frasy - navernoe luchshe pisat ': a magnificent art form na moi vzgliad, a to poluchaetsia diktatura!
Na moi vzgliad oni ne velikolepny i otnositel'no hudozestvenny.

V tselom zisn 'prekrasna, i spasibo za vashe vnimanie k moim postam

[komend]

Tree is not only material. There is an African and bronze. In my store there were a few instances

[Art-lover]

Winter already rather tired. Outside, gray snow and slush. I want to run away somewhere from this dank ... At this point, and remember that the forum is a place where you can get rid of cold weather and plenty poafrikanstvovat not afraid to get into the clutches of Barmaleev or Somali pirates.

And while we are here in the society of mysterious spirits, danced a ritual dance, and sung a spell, you can seek their patronage, to fearlessly talk about the influence of African sculpture on the European artistic tradition.

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At the beginning of XX century "primitive" arts of Africa - with his characteristic expression, a mysterious inner strength and freedom in dealing with form - caused a powerful surge of enthusiasm for European art, prompting them towards enriching the expressive means.

"Mastering" African sculpture went different ways: if the greatest masters of modernist impulses received from African art became - after the deep internal processing - elements in building a new style, the creativity of the less powerful artists reflect the fashion for African primitive through the practice, which today would be called postmodern - ie through quotation, the use of sculptures and masks as exotic entourage. This practice, is expressed only surprise of the African artifacts, no way could influence the development of Western art.
Thus, the primitive art of Africa was included in the blood and flesh of the new European culture, not directly but in a "digested" the vanguard of the form, under the influence of the work of artists who managed organically to assimilate the lessons of Africans.

When the mystical spirit of the avant-garde and surrealism significantly weathered, the feeling of magical power of art forms of African sculpture has ceased to inspire the European art. Since the thirties, the 20th century masks and fetishes are no longer surprised by the West, although they were screwed antique goods, causing superstitious fear.

The second half of the 20th century Tower of Babel of Western culture, attempting to accumulate in a potency of world cultures of all time, began to crumble under its own weight. Its supporting structure - of the spiritual side of reality - has been gradually eroded due to rust positivism. When the dust from falling dissipated culture found itself in the "postmodern condition." In practice, this meant the entropy of meanings embodied in the famous theses on the death of God, the author's death, the death of art. Replacing the understanding of interpretation, a new era has done any work of the soul impractical superfluous. Then came heaven on earth for the functionaries of the art - critics, curators, artists ...

Of course, this popular prints. (20-30 years, historians tell us about the heroes of the resistance to post-modernism, postmod-underground and so on.)
However, this retreat helps to explain why the second half of the 20 th century significant characteristics of African sculpture no longer aroused by artists of the West to a live response, which was is usual for the beginning of last century. Postmodernist artist almost lost a specific sensitivity, allowing to see in African art is more than the motives for stylization.

[Meister]

Сообщение от Art-lover

postmodern artist almost lost a specific sensitivity, allowing to see in African art is more than the motives for stylization.

Bravo, elegantly put!

[атлас5]

Thanks for an interesting topic. There is a question for. This sculpture, made of wood sand-colored, rough handling, not polished. Those unbalanced, mouths open, instead of teeth inserted pebbles for eyes, too. I saw on TV, makes a stunning impression. Maybe someone will tell you what it is and where to find the photos.