Trinity Rublev /Sad news from the Tretyakov Gallery

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Сообщение от Meister

we managed a much smaller amount (it's moving away from the topic), people 10-15

This is who is in control, must see.
Government you mean?
Also my control. Do not turn on the TV, this administration and not notice.

[Meister]

Well, most watered. and economy. processes themselves do not occur

[artemirra]

Сообщение от Allena

Icon - this is not a picture, you understand! It can not be approached with the same yardstick that the museum exhibits. To see the icon - the eyes have. They are generally more!

Generally others - compared with what?? Giotto, van Eyck - they also created religious images, altars, prayer images. Something from their heritage are now kept in museums (as happened), something - in the temples. Won Ghent Altarpiece - in church, but in a separate room in the capsule, in compliance with all possible precautions. Somehow, no one doubts that it requires special care and storage conditions, and simply be the main altarpiece in the cathedral - can not ... This seemingly obvious to all things - especially for art historians.

But for some reason the "Trinity" Rublev, apparently you think all this does not apply. I understand that you - believing Orthodox person, but this does not exclude common sense. Do not believe - I know personally of many experts on Byzantine and ancient Russian art, they are believers, but also knowledgeable. And wise ...

As for the fact that in the church with the icon nothing wrong could happen ... altogether strange. Nobody said that with malicious intent, no ... Just because initially different relationship to the icons throughout their history outside of museums is happening to them the most terrible things - for example, they renovated and. Certainly, you know about it. From the perspective of the clergy there is nothing wrong, on the contrary - the shrine should look good. But just how many pre-Mongolian icons, many icons of the same Rublev, Theophanes, Dionysius had been lost because of this. I understand the history of the museum's restoration was also different. But now, seemingly all come to realize that the icons should be maintained - if possible - authentic. Reserved - for future generations. For people. To someone came to the museum, saw the Trinity Rublev and Dionysius the Crucifixion, and maybe he had something "clicks" inside. Not for tourists, not for specialists, but just for people icons, like other works of art remain in the museums ...

I write some school things. Self-evident, no?

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от artemirra

For someone came to the museum, saw the Trinity Rublev and Dionysius the Crucifixion, and maybe he had something "clicks" inside. Not for tourists, not for specialists, but just for people icons, like other works of art remain in the museums ...

You can see the other side. There are many ancient and interesting from an artistic point of view of tombstones. Could, many of them removed and transferred to the museums. But do not do so in its bolshisnstve? They stand in the open air and destroyed, got old, but had its mission. With the icons, I think so. It is possible to digitize, document, record status and return to the place of duty. We icons, probably, too, the fate of this - to grow old and crumble in the service of his flock. And: the museum gets a lot of random people who all these salaries and icons - hihanki-hahanki. In the temple they are protected from this, there is less idle public.

[artemirra]

With tombstones, as with the icons in different ways. You are substituting the concept (I am on the gravestones). Where I wrote that to remove the icons from the churches and held in museums?? I am talking about those that already have been in a museum - you know, really from a Christian point of view - all the will of God, then they would be and ...
As headstones - differently sometimes, as with skulptornoy decoration of churches. In France, those that still retained - are maintained and restored in place, those that already sypyatsya (as, say, a very lamentable state of the Holy Trinity) - transferred to museums and replaced by copies. Or here's Well prophets Slyutera in Dijon - built around a glass "dome" for safekeeping.
This is barbarism, and even, forgive me, kind of hypocrisy - look at the fact that something is destroyed, to know that you can save and not save ...

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Сообщение от Vladimir

And again: the museum gets a lot of random people who all these salaries and icons - hihanki-hahanki. In the temple they are protected from this, there is less idle public.

what had happened in the dark halls of the ancient art of GTG, no mockery of shrines was not there.
As for - "idle", "random" people - snobbery and arrogance are not among the Christian virtues of ...

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

all these salaries and icons

Speaking of salaries: everyone knows that until the movement of the Holy Trinity in the museum it was closed a silver salary, so that could be seen, as expected, only the faces but the hand?

Of course, I completely agree with artemirra, the main thing - to works of art, including icons, polyptych etc. optimal storage conditions.

Generally I do not understand why the talks on this subject at once take such a passionate nature?
In France, and specifically in Alsace (where the church has signed a special agreement with the state, "concordat") no one is making the transfer Izenhaymskogo altar of the Museum of Colmar - or church authorities, nor the faithful. It is open for inspection to all - Christians and Buddhists, believers and agnostics, and I think it is very good.

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Сообщение от LCR

Generally I do not understand why talk about it at once take such a passionate character?

Teach fool pray to God - he will break his forehead.

Russian proverb. Means - to overdo it from unnecessary (foolishly) zeal.
Or someone wants to become a "holier than the pope.

[SAH]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Do not tell me. As someone with than "grab" the faithful are 95%

While the thunder breaks out peasant will not cross himself

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And others say that the Church robbed for centuries.

To say to justify their deeds in quotes

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(I mean that the icon of the Trinity St. Andrei Rublev was a three-day "released" at the holiday prayer service at his former place of "residence" - in the Trinity-St.) Three days of the Orthodox pray to the icon which is for the Reverend and was written and then she would move back. all.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Allena

To see the icon - the eyes have. They are generally more!

Brad what.

[Selene]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Well, if the faith applies to Drugstore, then, yes.
There is, say, the prayers of abdominal pain?

Yeah, there is a 'pain in the abdomen, and from the patient's head, too, has prayer)) And there's the icon of the Virgin "softening the hearts of evil"

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Brad what.

He who has eyes, but sees