Mikhail Shemyakin: on modern art

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This is God's truth.
But Boria hate is not necessary, he's a good

Okay
And he pretty ?

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What? drank heavily ? Kirill is Syzransky ?

No Groys impossible to look at socialist realism. Which today is listed only style of avant-garde (not over-focus, which is composed of all avangrad), that is modernist. And it makes a big difference and explains. In the socialist realism of genuine realism percent of 20, it has long noticed, but there was no explanation

You still easier to Groys. It is your brains way to powder, then a squadron of psychoanalysts not help!

Berth correctly said: Groys (whose education is not academic, or philosophical) is not interested in things and not see them (some of it a pupil inherited this peculiarity of his mentor). Therefore, it attracts only art which can be described by a mobile phone such as conceptualism.
A Groysovskaya theory of social realism - it's just fantasy, do not take it too vseez

Anyway Boris Groys good. It is recommended to love - but not read.

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And he was cute?

Nemtsov, handsome, both literally and figuratively.

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Nemtsov handsome, both literally and figuratively.

Well
Then let us love

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Berth correctly said: Groys (whose education is not academic, philosophical ).....................
Anyway Boris Groys good. It is recommended to love - but not read.

In Groys mathematical education (ISU) and no more. From a philosophical number was not on, but he is a philosopher (if not pay attention to the terrible custom advertising paid by the article where he tries to be an art critic).
Who is SERIOUSLY suggests that the philosophy of art is secondary in relation to art history? art history just do not do science, and narrative secular discipline. TS base for writing an article in Ladies' Magazine. Few art critic raised above, and that is beyond art history (Chegodaev for example)

 Pozdnjak rushing, I did not save from decomposition articles Groys.
His I read almost everything that appeared, and as they become available, ie slowly, slowly, and began a long time.
 Actually starts with a revolution in the concepts of socialist realism (which is a huge reservoir not only art but also of culture). Already because of this one in his place in history culled.

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But because for him it only investigated the array to confirm their own theories.

I agree too. (The focus of his troubling me, and maybe not all the ad to a friend that he wrote ..)

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Few art critic raised above, and that is beyond art history (Chegodaev for example)

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A lot of art-then-read ?
And not about us.
And about any benefits of this text for practitioners.
You are the practices?
I understand you are a journalist?

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I read him almost everything that appeared, and as they become available

It may be recalled, when he began pzhlst?

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In Groys mathematical education (ISU) and no more. From a philosophical number was not on, but he is a philosopher (if not pay attention to the terrible custom advertising paid by the article where he tries to be an art critic)

Maybe I got it wrong, all this was quite a long time. Philosophy he still engaged in earnest. For me, it does not matter, but I apologize and retract it.

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Who is SERIOUSLY suggests that the philosophy of art is secondary in relation to art history? art history just do not do science, and narrative secular discipline. TS base for writing an article in Ladies' Magazine. Few art critic raised above, and that is beyond art history (Chegodaev for example)

You forget one thing, and this thing is - the most important. Within five years, students in this narrative secular discipline daily show things and teach them to recognize and respect.

Not the philosophy of art pulled from oblivion Vermeer and Rembrandt, Grunewald, and connoisseurs of art - that is, proto-art.
 
Try to give Groys, unable to distinguish Venetsianov from Veneziano or Ribero from Rivera (above all, never in my life was curious to know who they are and what they did), now on the attribution, try to entrust him with museum hanging. Try, finally, to entrust him with the work of restorers. I am convinced that in order to understand contemporary art, one must know the art of the past, but otherwise only and remain polutorakopeechnye paradoxes about the fact that Socialist Realism --

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huge reservoir not only art but also of culture). Already because of this one in his place in history culled.

Generally, this phenomenon has long pointed out does not stop me melt: humanists do not claim to be an active part in the progress of organic chemistry, for example, or molecular fiziki.Chto As for all these physicists, mathematicians, they literally beat their hoofs impatient - they need to administer works of art. So it turns samostrok - assume that any unprepared person qualified to talk about art - big mistake.

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Pozdnjak rushing, I did not save from decomposition articles Groys.
His I read almost everything that appeared, and as they become available, ie slowly, slowly, and began a long time.

Well, that's nice - because nowadays so many people do not read anything. If you like it, the better for you - and for Boris Groys. I do not mechus - me with your children not to baptize

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Pity 22 times "Thank you" can not be put

Added after 9 minutes
In any science is the subject of study and tools for it (the object) study.
In art history, and even more so in the history of art is both.

A cultural studies is, yes, actively growing spoons forks and knives and other instrumenariem.
Here it would be more to the subject oprdelitsya .