Order: stimulus to creativity or careless?

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Fed

when she had gotten an artist's work can be seen clearly once udayuschiesya direction or moves and those where he had gone in search of new forms. " The most enigmatic in this bust that the artist himself does not agree with you (even in 3 of 5 pictures lower left corner of the same is not completed yet-dauber on a good picture). Or a couple of works which had almost a quarter to cut the bottom - do not know, probably, than the already stretched canvas to fill. What do these crafts, better (but it certainly will not simpler) to specify the order for the development of these coups with the preliminary sketches, and even better, and color scheme to boot.
Just will not "push": D art, but a good picture.

Fed, dear, you're in this paragraph describe elementary (compositional), illiteracy, befitting a professional artist ..
This should not be in operation (no-no in custom, nor in "programmatic")
This is possible only in sketches, or in creative work, or in a custom that can not and must close!
Now that's ignorance, diletanstvo and trash!

What kaksaetsya "nedodelannosti" it may well be ogranichny art reception, which can be found, for example. and at Feshin, and at Serov, and at Schmidt ...

[DSF]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

You are willing to provide only masterpieces? Sit in front of the net primed canvas and you think: "Now zabatsayu netlenku for centuries. So? : D

Сообщение от L-ana64110

Yes, yes, that's it, I do not have much time ahead to deal with ....

How it all started ... But mind you L-ana64110, the genius of place here long ago occupied by Paul.
As for your insinuations that I have a sex service in exchange for the purchase of my paintings, then you are mistaken. I'm only an artist, and this is interesting.

[Art-ort]

You are all missing one very important point, in the order it is very important ... Who is the customer self-respecting creator simply rich goon order would not do, but artisan-take with udovolstviem.V the same time, erudite in the field of art customer selects talented in his understanding creator, not remeslennika.Tak that this process of mutual ...

[Terehov]

When I lived in Moscow, the main income-were orders.
They were the portraits of the photo and sometimes photos of homes, sometimes assembling ...
What led to a creative crisis.
All my life I am engaged in painting and still sometimes seems podberesh kk winning story, idea, and the result is not impressive, so to. plot for a better photo, but not for pictorial expression.
What to say about customers who first encounter with the order of pictures.
Unfortunately, I have had customers who were afraid to experiment and then transformed into a creative hack.
  Now I moved to the island and write images that from the beginning to the end I conceived.
Unfortunately the complexity of working with Russia's customers because of the Russian customs.
I successfully sold in America, England and Australia.
Of course prices are lower than in Moscow portraits, but I'm busy with creativity and chooses subjects that interest me.
Therefore, the question of reservations: the impetus to creativity or careless?
Answer: It depends on the customer, as it gives freedom of the artist.

Eg. almost all of the Tretyakov Gallery, the order Tretyakov, sometimes specific, sometimes, let's say, in the form of "grand".

[таша]

Сообщение от Jasmin

Well накаркали! ... Get It Now on soap order, sent a photo of your girlfriend. They want the day of her birth on paper (even the size specified!), Pastel and so no nonsense ... Tomorrow I will make a quick, photograph and moved on soap, and if the client will be pleased to come pick up with the donations ... Thank God, there is an order! All thanks!

Сообщение от L-ana64110

I'm sorry for you! So enjoy "oformilovke" and how "consider themselves artists, and all this butafotiya? Were displayed denyushki and all the pathos left. Bravo!

Jasmin-a good artist, with his established style. I think that it is well placed to make a portrait photo of a work of art. The money for the order never superfluous.

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Сообщение от L-ana64110

Yes, yes, that's it, I do not have much time ahead to deal with .... I had a period when I had to earn their portraits and pastel-injure the same "freedom" much, do not advise syuzhetnikam to do it would be better in the janitors as Medvedev in his youth,,,

Speaking of "high" - when the artist says to himself: "Draw-ka I expressive nudity in posture, it is now fashionable, it is very hard and ruthless customer-conjuncture of the market. Although it seems to him that he was in free flight.

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If the artist is the agent or dealer (do not know how to call it), his task is to find the orders are not inconsistent with the manner of the artist, then everything will be fine. For example, Igor Sapunkova (personal opinion) suitable illustration, work in the author's card (all of which are close to easel work), and the development of the logo eksklibrisa, a clear and significant graphic design is not sure.
Of course, the ideal order-creativity, when the customer dictates only the size, amount of work and deadlines. In my life there was only one order and, just like that. May digress from the topic, but will tell. My friend bought (well, very inexpensive, it was a long time), three of my paintings for a small cafe on Taganka. Once someone calls me and says that next month he opens club in Brateevo: eek: and he wants the same pattern. A painting, by the way, was titled: "To be born, to forget", "Total Recall-Die" and something else in the same spirit. In the minds of the characters were holes in the first scene of them pour some balls, fell to the ground and sprouted flowers. A second-angel blew the seeds of the flower and put them in the head Chap. hero. To my question: "Why you such terrible stories?" The answer was: "We the people themselves, such frightful" (Then he turned-bandits, no kidding) explained that "the same" I can not agreed on a variation on a theme. Paid, without haggling forward large sum (for me at the time the money) then came on time, work took them away and that's it. No interference in the process. We can say the marginal stratum of the society acted as an "enlightened client": eek: I gained experience in a very (for me) deadlines for the four month meter canvas good materials (paid separately) money order. Not lose anything, I think.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Tasha

I gained experience working in a very (for me) deadlines for the four month meter canvas good materials (paid separately) money order. Not lose anything, I think.

Good.

tasha, Heroes are not born. Do not be afraid. (from): D

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Terehov

It depends on the customer, as it gives freedom of the artist.

This, of course. But still, as not cool, it all depends on the artist. It's easy to write off all the "zhlobovatyh" customers do not smyslyaschih in the art. But then what purpose of it comes to you (to a particular artist)? I guess that you worked so as you can see you, and not the average artist. And uvazhaeschy artist himself once to ask - and you sure you want to work on my performance, style, etc.? Easy to prevent misunderstandings before work. Actually all these and many other issues, too, deals with gallery, removing the routine work of the artist. Relationship with the client (style, financial ...) - the problem of the gallery. As well as taking the work from the artist to the client. Duration of negligence and "genius" in the work of the artist - can also serve as a stumbling predknoveniya. Not all artists are able to recognize the shortcomings in their work.
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  As a portrait as a work of art, from photo, it is a utopia. Not knowing the characteristics of the nature of the object, its psychology, and much more, can not create a portrait of this man (and what the customer wants). You can write a good art work on the subject - a portrait of men (women) with similar features. To achieve the same internal similarities with unconditioned outside - is impossible. So the portrait will not work.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

As for a portrait as a work of art, from photo, it is a utopia. Not knowing the characteristics of the nature of the object, its psychology, and much more, can not create a portrait of this man (and what the customer wants). You can write a good art work on the subject - a portrait of men (women) with similar features. To achieve the same internal similarities with unconditioned outside - is impossible. So the portrait will not work.
     

Here Semen Semenovich, thank you, illustrate what is called the present (Orthodox) and the commercial realism (western) realism.
The things you write (work on the photos) and a commercial realism.
A portrait (as a work of art) requires a huge expenditure of skill, time (vspomnite. on how many hours Serov created their portraits!) Soul and inspiration ..
But in a good school and sketch "alla prima" may also be a work of art. There are examples of very talented!

[Fed]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

On the whole, all these and many other issues, too, deals with gallery, removing the routine work of the artist. Relationship with the client (style, financial ...) - the problem of the gallery. As well as taking the work from the artist for the client.

   Unfortunately, this scheme has disadvantages pleasant reality. If you omit the usual very surcharge not weak picture, there still remains a regular now for all the offices of the problem-owner of the gallery's in the empyrean, and serve the customer a dull girl. Their goal is not only irritating, but any totally unpredictable ways to spoil the final product.

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Fed

Unfortunately, this scheme has disadvantages pleasant reality.

Disadvantages of our real life we can find everywhere. Should do it. I do not know in what galleries you greeted bleary-eyed, wishing to drive the client's staff (I hope not in my gallery). As for margins, it corresponds to the level of cooperation between the gallery and the artist. And that means the client can be 0. I do not know whether there is a need to explain it in detail for such a sophisticated audience ...

Order and trash!
Let us here defined in terms of. If the hack-called collateral from the principal activity of the work (without reducing its quality), this remarkable process of going to an (often useful for a change of scenery to take a fresh look at what you're doing, but at the same time and still make good money). If trash - is the quality of the work itself, it is necessary to change the profession to the one where you do not boil the pot (although that is the case someone would do such kind of activity - everywhere).
In principle, everything is very simple: where money plays a dominant role - penny-work where the concomitant (without reviewing quality) - a good order ...: D