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Vivian, you are asking the right question, but, unfortunately, very little information. I know that the painting was bought in a store Datsiaro someone from my distant relatives of noble origin. Presumably they lived somewhere on the Petrograd side in the Barmaleevskoy streets and had their own house or several floors in the big house.

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Originally Posted by VYACHESLAV

You know the Russian artist - amateur guess these charades of leaves and twigs?

In fact, I turned to the forum hoping to find specialists to get answers to several questions about his work, including this. If professionals are not here, or they have not yet come, then he can try to answer.
Specifically, I have not studied this subject, but something that came across.
Start with a wish that the secret or hidden icons signatures more typical of the Flemish masters. I was told museum staff that someone brought to the museum by an unknown Western European artist, bought before the revolution as something on the occasion of the store Datsiaro at Sea, 11. She was in bad condition, but something they are interested. Decided to restore. When cleaning somewhere on a stone restorer found a little icon of a famous Flemish painter, whose name, unfortunately, I forgot. Now the work is in the Hermitage.
Among Russian artists can point Borovikovsky. For example, in his portraits in a landscape is not immediately possible to find the artist's signature, which is located on some stone.
At one show I looked carefully at the drawings Shishkin, bought Bogolyubov and having, respectively, 100%provenance. Besides the main signature of the artist in several places the figure is a repetition of the signature cursive. I do not know specifically whether the artist to duplicate a signature to prove his ownership in the case of cutting the work into parts, or the movements of his hand, as when writing a signature. At Shishkin I have not yet discovered this: there are so many different strokes and the museum is not possible to see the work as one might think.
At another forum gave me the information on this subject: "I had a student job Shishkin (Gurkin) the signature was masked and even bought a big bukvami.Sam uvidel.A when the signature was not only admired the work of a week with distances of 3 meters saw. That's so.
One can assume that it Shishkin and his disciples engaged in precisely the conscious concealment of their signatures in the blades of grass.
As the closest example I can now N. Krymov "Moscow landscape. Rainbow, 1908, the State Tretyakov Gallery. Encouraged to find in it what I say.
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More carefully, I tried to deal with the signatures of AI Kuindzhi, but perhaps that's another story. I can tell more, but I hope that experts will approach and tell some more interesting and instructive things.

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

This is all true, of course, but it is not clear how this relates to the authorship of the picture? Of course, that the picture was written after 1865. I understood from the address store. Here he argued: "The Marine, 11. Street several times changed its name and address matches the beginning of a 20 th century, as I wrote above.

Dating in this case is important. You're right, the picture came into the store in the early 20 th century, even more so after 1910. On the tally given the phone number the store and telephone exchange appeared in St. Petersburg after 1905. During this period Daziaro, Stella has managed Datsiaro - this is not the Daziaro 1850's, 60's, which you can read Tolstoy or Dostoyevsky in history. This "Shop Prints", sells mostly souvenir lottery products, lithographs of views of cities. Agree, one can hardly expect the appearance of the first names in this cabin. All luck!

[uriart]

Dmitry, you certainly want to work was a brush of some major labels!
Unfortunately it is not so! Pretty good work of the artist is very average hands.
Fine with the idea and not teshte in the hope!
Normal commonplace rabotenka koi written thousands for a poor buyer.
A pro shop Datsiaro I have nothing left that you add. You have written extensively over the previous forum users.

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

Prior to the restoration of the painting had a terrible deformity of the canvas, which managed to straighten out.

Could not be bothered to reply ... Peter Does not do the restoration?

[Дмитрий]

Originally Posted by uriart

fine with the idea and not in the hope teshte!

Lasciate Ogni Speranza Voi Che Entrate.
Dante Alighieri, Divina Commedia

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

Lasciate Ogni Speranza Voi Che Entrate.

No, hope dies last, and the forum is not the place where the slogan is hanging ... : D

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[QUOTE=Dmitry;569726] Lasciate Ogni Speranza Voi Che Entrate.
Dante Alighieri, Divina Commedia

Do not be sad, dum spiro, spero! Sorry, îôôòîï - Fiorentina fans is such a banner hung?

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Originally Posted by Mimoprohodil

is Fiorentina fans hung a banner?

Yes it was they hung out. Your motto is better suited to me, although I am not strong in Latin, yet the language is quite different from modern Italian, but well-known expressions, of course I understand. Yes, I put the smiley in your post ...

Originally Posted by heir

Do not be bothered to reply ... Peter Do not do the restoration?

No, I did the restoration in Moscow.

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Here's another piece of the picture. In the branches of a tree if you want you can also make out the letters and numbers.
The Moon itself probably represents a fingerprint of the artist.

How about the moon forgot ..... on this forum.

If you talk long halva, mouth becomes sweet. That is exactly your case.

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Originally Posted by VYACHESLAV

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Here's another piece of the picture. In the branches of a tree if you want you can also make out the letters and numbers.
The Moon itself probably represents a fingerprint of the artist.

How about the moon forgot ..... on this forum.

If you talk long halva, mouth becomes sweet. That is exactly your case.

Allow me, dear to me to decide what to write and in what forum.
As I suspected, that the forum Artinvestmenta there are people who completely lack a sense of humor and that if you put the smiles, you still do not understand the meaning of Lent. So I chose a more strict manner of communication.
And you can distort anything. For example, you quoted my post stands smiley (http://forumuuu.com/showthread.php?t=180412&page=3). You estesvenno it removed and that you want to prove this?