Collection Grigoryants in Tsaritsyno

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

but said nothing. Means agree

Impossible to be silent, I write about the possible reaction of the leadership in the museum "Tsaritsyno".

We are here in this thread is not silent.

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Сообщение от Konstantin; 2480371"

Have a specific problem , we discuss specifically what can and should be done. And you give us specific actions instead offer sprinkle ashes and wait for the sea weather.
Here on this and tactfully and pointed Dilettante

I'm also on a topic about a specific problem. We can and must do is to capture, to tell, but do not be surprised. I just wonder about . Not only are we here talking about fakes in Shapiro. Something has changed ? I know. Well, at the same time about the fact that it is not necessary to write the word Dear, that who is nonsense, because it's the same - fake. Fake and that it can be called a delicacy. All of this can be related to the theme. I write, the more falsehood in life, the more they are on the walls. Knowledge and understanding are two different things . someone knows more , and someone understands. I do not stray from the topic.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

Scary TC. it is the creation of private diskriditiruet kollektsiy.opirayas the advice of unscrupulous " dealers "- clearly he picked eto.Ya if he is a science to it and the main other .

Do not ... impossible to be silent . Keep Constantine, silent , not to notice , so agree. Publicity to the market may ( in my opinion) only positive , it would indicate that the ranks of experts , dealers , collectors (unless of course they will react positively ) is a principled, honest and above all, educated people. And that affected some suppliers of this stuff , well, personally I did not care, a woman with a cart - mare easier. >
Remember the words of Papanov in " Beware of the Car " - " All the same, you have to give the knee ass ." It is about a museum employee Tsarina.

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Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480611"

Not if we 're talking about fakes in Shapiro .

Why would you compare the incomparable : commercial enterprise auction and gosmuzey - scientific and educational organization ?
In the first case, the principle " do not like it - do not buy ", and in the case of such an exhibition in the museum 's much worse - these fakes are now very fact of exposure whitewash, legitimized .

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2480691"

Why would you compare the incomparable : business of auction and gosmuzey - scientific and educational organization ?
In the first case , the principle of " do not like it - do not buy it ," and in the case of such an exhibition in the museum 's much worse - these fakes are now very fact of exposure whitewash, legitimized .

This, too , I wrote that the higher ground so phony people and what surrounds them. If the public would not be such a false and hypocritical , the organizers never have dared to expose it . Organisers may require to prove all this, in each case to provide this paperwork with lawyers , experts, art historians ( venal ). Who will do it , the one who is surprised and outraged ? But to capture and tell today, unfortunately nothing can be done . That is my opinion . As much as we did not abuse the Soviet era, then this could happen. It all depends on the people , ie the quality. I would not be surprised that soon these shows can be arranged and at the Museum of Arts and in Russian , anywhere.

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Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480701"

If the public would not be such a false and hypocritical , the organizers never dared to put it .

 I do not understand , and what's the public - Visitors to the museum ?

Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480701"

Except record and tell today unfortunately nothing can be done .

And what would you do? Do not really understand you , sorry. Write a " good landlord " Minister of Culture letter or throw out the window of the museum a Molotov cocktail ? What to do , then?

Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480701"

As if we did not abuse the Soviet era, this could not happen then .

Of course, could not. In Soviet times, private collections just robbed by the police - kagebe .
" Soviet period " ... In Soviet times , recall, was arrested and entire peoples from their land, from the graves of their ancestors forever sent to Siberia and Kazakhstan.

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Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480701"

represent this paperwork with lawyers , experts, art historians ( venal )

Yes, a serious argument.

Сообщение от Samvel ; 2480701"

As if we did not abuse the Soviet time ,

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2480741"

And in Soviet times , remember ,

Colleagues , then - stop.
Otherwise important topic zatrolim up holes - Soviet /non-Soviet .

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People are always the same at any time no worse and no better.

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Dear colleagues, I apologize for such emotional message (above). As I now understand , dan- st presented mostly dubious works for the forum. And I got the wrong impression about the show in general. I looked in the internet coverage of the show. A lot of the correct, honorable and rare works of art and objects of DPI. In general, the collection designed and created by people not by professionals that have the wrong thing, which is quite natural . With great respect and reverence treat for collectors and gatherers . But that's to so boldly exhibited in the museum very somnitetelnye items suggests incompetence ? Or not? But in general, the situation is completely remedied by a concerned and loving his job and employees of museums , vchastnosti , connoisseurs of this forum. With respect to this generation.

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Сообщение от Solovlad

A lot of the correct, honorable and rare works of art and objects of DPI.

And please give some examples, even without photos.

You write that the right items at the exhibition "lot".
Though some call, preferably painting, of course.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh; 2480581"

but said nothing. Means agree with the "never been exhibited known only to a narrow circle of connoisseurs of Briullov and Aivazovsky, Borovikovsky and Repin, Surikov and Serov, Korovin and Kustodiev Roerich and Vrubel, Borisov-Musatov and Lancer, Kandinsky and Malevich, Saryan and Bakst - sometimes unexpected, sometimes completely changing the conventional wisdom about the artist). "

Alexander, and as you imagine our possible action? No authority to ensure that require authentication of these works, none of us here (would love to hope >) - no. Your word, my word, the word is a score even the most respected forum participants - against the venerable words, ostepenennyh art (1 piece) and cultural studies (1 piece). Well, Guess what outweigh? Remember what ended litigation with Mr. Vekselberg's largest auction house. But there it was a lot easier.
I personally do not claim Chaadaeva laurels. There is a remarkable statement - "the syndrome of litigation." I think that she enjoyed as Dr. Dolittle in-it, and continue to use it.
But that is not the point. Let's start with the fact that the very first statement issued over the forum, will be immediately due commented the lawyer (s) of the owner of the collection under discussion. A possible - and lawyers of the State Museum "Tsarina" (there is something certainly has a legal department).
And another scandal nobody wants - tired all ...
At best (if previously issued opinions) owner recheck work Make sure all your own baseless claims, and try to return the money. Ay, sellers! Where are you, good people?
And the most likely - and it will not. It happened, for example, agriculture. Or, say, a sandstorm (option - avalanche) in the Central Administrative District of Moscow. Or (God forbid!) - Fire. About the fire, I'm so afraid even to joke: only lyapni, and it is really looking - and burned ... And the owner was inconsolable at skokototam milen richer. Masterpieces, of course, will not come back, well, what can you do, God has given - God took. And no such treasures were lost forever.
What to do in a situation like this, I honestly do not know. I think it would be bad to hear an intelligent lawyer. (Sorry, that bilingual lawyers rarely give free advice. >)
Is there a conclusion to all these masterpieces - do not know. Most of all - have.
Well, that "opinion" the vast majority of active participants of the forum "about creativity Briullov and Aivazovsky, Borovikovsky and Repin, Surikov and Serov, Korovin and Kustodiev Roerich and Vrubel, Borisov-Musatov and Lancer, Kandinsky and Malevich, Saryan and Bakst " this exhibition is not only " has not changed ", but not in the least shaken. >

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

What to do, then?
Go to the "Tsaritsyno" and spit on a fake nefalshivo Roerich?

CLASS!
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