Kurt Melech? Help assess the picture is about 180 years.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

This "cute"?

This, this!
I found him, of course, but you're ahead of me again!
(Remember the brilliant cartoon "Carnival": While the knight on four legs lagging: one - two - three - four, did you two - quickly overtaking: one-two, one-two!

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Сообщение от zarajara; 2452371"

Amateur , thank you very much.
Feed me with your interested I.G.Myasoedov ( E.Zotov ).

I am very, very happy! I admire this man for many years.
Phenomenally talented, incredibly good-looking (although - is in anyone) , strong, brave, adventures! And fate - a novel ! ( Cleaned Count of Monte Cristo) .
Even his illegal and somehow I do not confuse ...
I still remember the show "Fund Zotov - Myasoedova " in TG ( brought from Vaduz ). First, it was absolutely dumbfounded painting (previously seen literally 5 - 6 smaller jobs and " Argonauts ") , and secondly - truly shocked scale Shakespearean passions and suffering!
Tell me the same - cool , huh?

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What was that?
I have blue faces in his text is inserted.
No way - the machinations ...

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It was all very interesting ... and I'm back in the search for ...

In JP
Plato has a picture of "tramp" can not find in the internet?

Very suitable name ... look like.

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In JP
Plato has a picture of "tramp" can not find in the internet???

Also did not find it, but it has here such "Gypsy beggars":

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Сообщение от Amateur , 2452291

1. As for the signature. The signature can be placed by the author on your own

Naturally! And you think that is the author's signature in 1829 ?

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length of about 5-6 mm, in a 4- sided cone .

This is good. Forged nails , it can be assumed that the work of the late 19th century. Especially, if it tighten.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

also did not find it , but it has here such " Gypsy beggars " in 1892 :

Thank you , this picture is not seen ...
Some sense of what the right way , revised picture of the artist , it affects not only the style , handwriting, painting scenes themselves , but the similarity of items of clothing , the folds of the sleeves, the very appearance of clothing ... children's eyes , hair, clearly defined , but most importantly ... to use similar colors, especially in clothing. But based on the biographical data, from the Crimea to nothing connects ... It's sad .

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This is good. Forged nails , it can be assumed that the work of the late 19th century. Especially, if it tighten.

I can not judge it, 50-60 years it just has not been touched ...

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Сообщение от AL160; 2452431"

In JP Plato has a picture of " tramp " can not find in the internet

I think that it is not just the Internet . Actually , to my knowledge , the current location of the " tramp " is a mystery . It is known that there was such . Exhibited at the exhibition of the Academic 1883. Published at the same time . But then to go away - is unclear.
Unfortunately, at her pictures I have not found too soon (and it zanykat somewhere ...)
Therefore, your curiosity can be only partly showing a photo thumbnail ( RM) to the said film. Photo - old and bad, but gives an idea of ​​the composition .
And more. The author of your "beggar" H.P.Platonov can not be. A certain available ( and possibly - but in my opinion and the available >) typological similarity - the moment of time rather than handwriting .

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2451651"

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"Sevastopol. Kurta Melek . August 2, 1870 . "
That's the date closer.

Ignoring the line, I would suggest in this paper a copy of a European thing .

I also think that this is a European thing. In Moscow, she could get a variety of ways . Here is a writer who loved to write Hungarian Gypsies and developed technology against fraying paintings and craquelure - August von Pettenkofen. Compare. For me, it 's very similar.
The inscription on the picture of the country and hardly has to do with the author.

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Completely confused ... I will give to the examination.

Thank you very much, apparently, without expert professionals can not do.

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developed technology against the shedding of paintings and craquelure

Paint peeling off . if they affect the well-preserved fruit of good conservation picture , sorry, that first layer , superimposed on the reverse side of the picture , something like a heavy paper impregnated , crumbled into dust . I put only two of author unknown to me . Others, more likely , are defined.

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Sevastopol. Kurt Melek .

If it helps you , then this town or village was not. I learned in the archives of the Crimean Republican Museum of Regional Studies and the National Museum of the heroic defense of Sevastopol . Call was not hard , I have many friends. Melek was the village , with many villages Kurt and Kurt together Melek - no.

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Very confused ... I will give to the examination.

Despite the extensive information that the village (village, settlement, tenements, settlement) of the same name in the Crimea had not, I would still be waiting for an answer about the authenticity of a copyright markings. >
I remember how I got it to work now V.V.Vereschagina "Hindu" with two positive conclusions: of the timing - the fact that the test canvas - Original V.V.Vereschagina, and the Central Museum of Ethnography - that The painting depicts a soldier from the North Indian tribes with a detailed list identifying features on which these things defined. Excellent papers were deployed, with the exact scientific reasoning.
The only pity is that the result of the study "Vereshchagin" turned Dmitriev - Caucasian, and "Hindu" - "Kurds" (and even published during his lifetime in two credible sources).
So - anything can happen. Wrote my favorite E.Ivanov: Antique thing - it zhulney fur, zhulney a diamond ... > > > And therefore, expertise, and gentlemen of the sovereign - is not huhry-muhry.
Sincerely (as previously mentioned - the owner, the author pictures and forums and to me - very much), a dilettante.