Andrei Erofeev dismissed from the Tretyakov Gallery

[Сергеич]

We are now discussing two topics:
- Should I be punished for creativity?
And if you punish this totalitarianism?
- Do I need a shock in art?

Replies many, but here's one not very correct example:
  

The opening of a branch of the London museum Madame Tussauds in Berlin was marked by this scandal. In the first minutes of the exhibition is one of the visitor decapitated a wax statue of Adolf Hitler's.

Always question where the line? And many will say, it is only Hitler's head torn off, and not the organizers.

[Сергеич]

The magazine Art Monthly Australia published the cover of its July issue shot girls in protest against the closure of the exhibition of the photographer Bill Henson in May this year.

Exhibition of images of naked children in Sydney closed, barely open. The police seized photographs and began an investigation on the subject of whether they are not pornographic, but later stopped the investigation.

Chief Art Monthly Australia editor Maurice O'Riordan wrote in the latest issue, he chose the subject for the cover, knowing that it would cause controversy. However, he hoped to "restore at least some dignity in the debate ... and to legalize nudity and childhood as subjects for art".

Also the question needs "taboo" or not.

[Allena]

You know, this reminds me a story about Herostratus. But our ancestors were wiser than that, I ... Condemned to eternal oblivion, having understood the true purpose of a vandal. You can destroy the beauty in the incarnate form as Herostratus, and can deliberately throw mud at the beauty in their souls. A goal, in essence, one and the same. I agree with Nik'om and Sergeyitch that should be bound. Of course, the crowd can not call poet "to elect a sublime object, it is not the case, but it is not something about creativity, not about poets, but the modern Gerostrat which, unlike his predecessor, does not look to the future, and now - and the dirtier the better. Of course, I say banal, but we must respect those people, among whom you live, with whom in the bus ride. We have a very rough thing to say: hardly any of those authors, we are talking about, go to the elders, neighbors and took the old man, for example, the Order, for which he somewhere in Prokhorovka in the tank three times burned, thrash his nails to the the old woman's icon. It will not even blasphemy, but ... I do not know what to call. And the same thing, but at the exhibition, we call creativity. Why?

[qwerty]

Allena, I have somewhere wrote: the current "creator" is very difficult. Make something new almost impossible to immediately find some parallels with someone from the "great", and wants very much to your work if you do not buy, then at least write about them. So have to deal with the art of shocking. And as to this attitude - it is personal matter, as well as, say, the attitude to religion. And the argument here is probably irrelevant. Another thing is when they begin to interfere with the officials, hanging labels - this is a normal person is nothing but a protest cause can not.

[fross]

I then read about the jurisprudence of the insult http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/07/07/750114.shtml.
So more careful, please, in hot dispute.
It would not like to lose someone of such already nechuzhih participants.

[Meister]

Сообщение от Eugene

but the order in inete long time to put ..

Eugene, please explain the idea.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Meister

please explain the idea.

Very often (particularly in social networks), transgress the brink.

[Allena]

Сообщение от qwerty

Another thing is when they begin to interfere with the officials, hanging labels - this is a normal person is nothing but a protest can not call

qwerty, definitely agree about the labels. What did the administration of the Tretyakov Gallery, dismissing Erofeev, unworthy. They were able to openly declare its position in relation to the said show, it would be more honest. Could, eventually, offer the person to leave himself - well, it did not work, well, do not they take his work, well, foreign to it (in the opinion of the administration) of the State Tretyakov Gallery. As a human being can understand it all. Of course, the media in this case would have written a lot, but it is as they say, is another story. This is the same case when an honest way the administration has been - and not one. You are right about the officials, oh how wrong. And now, about art outrageous I can not agree with you. Epatage - no doubt, and art, I think, is not here. Select a theme, which will cause the greatest impact, and - in advance. And there is no dispute about the religion can not be, then I also agree with you. If, for example, when someone from your family some bully will enable a brazen ugly trick, as you respond? Correct: naturally, quickly and adequately, because for any normal person there are moral values (even in the era of post-modernism), which normally protects it from any evil spirits. The fact that knowingly and intentionally hurt the feelings of people (do not say: Orthodox Christians, - any, not necessarily religious sentiments) - is art? Why deliberate offensive hooligan antics in the doorway - it is a criminal offense for which the deadline falls due, and the same thing, but in the exhibition hall - is art? The easiest way to inflate his cheeks and with a clever kind consider "creation" in the search for deeper meaning ... Should society protect itself? And can any "creation" to call art, and on this basis - hands off! Yes, of course, to the exhibition, as a rule, they go voluntarily. Nobody do not have to. But there must be at the curators something inside ... Earlier it was called the conscience. Sorry for the naivete.

[qwerty]

Сообщение от Allena

qwerty, definitely agree about the labels. You are right about the officials, oh how wrong. And now, about art outrageous I can not agree with you. Epatage - no doubt, and art, I think, is not here.

I wrote exactly the same thing: in this context, the term "art" is a synonym for "excellence". And in this case everything was done masterfully. Look how many write about this exhibit, now on display in Tsaritsino best things from the Russian Museum (Malevich, Filonov Matyushin !!!), and the press in times less. Unfortunately, for many journalists, however, and for end consumers scandal surrounding the event is more important than the event itself.

[Allena]

Сообщение от qwerty

Unfortunately, for many journalists, however, and for end consumers scandal surrounding the event is more important than the event itself.

Yes, of course, and it is very sad. Do you think, qwerty, should a company protect itself from this, to put it mildly, shocking?