Nonconformists in Miami

[fross]

Сообщение от Alex Sander

Well , the red LED experts assign the copyright to many works. On this is not always necessary to pay attention . As far as these works Rukhin , real hard to find. First , a collection of Dodge, who bought all their stuff , when there was no fraud ( not your second collection Glezer ), well and secondly , both pictures were published in the album, which was responsible for the Heritage Foundation Rukhin. So impeccable provenance . And the work are excellent.

In general, many pictures of Dodge Rukhin. He bought directly from the artist , and immediately took out , even in the seventies .

And how do we know what works from the collection of Dodge ? As far as I know the collection was transferred to the University without the right to sell. Could be wrong, but at least some of what I saw, and some of the work sold in galleries in the U.S. until recently.

[манна]

Here I am about the same.
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[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от fross

And how do we know what works from the collection of Dodge? As far as I know the collection was transferred to the University without the right to sell. Could be wrong, but at least some of what I saw, and some of the work sold in galleries in the U.S. until recently.

Well, first, a whole department devoted to this auction is a collection of Dodge, but not built with the world on a string, that could cause to doubt the provenance. You do not doubt that there Krasnopevtsev? If still in doubt, read the name of a specialist advisor - Alla Rosenfeld. If you do not know, then I'll explain: she has long worked with the Dodge, even wrote a book with him, more than that is almost the major Western expert on Russian non-conformist. And every collection of Dodge she knows firsthand. Secondly, as I said, these papers have been published in the album Rukhin, which was published with the assistance of the fund Rukhin. And this album is also written that the two works belong to the dojo. Oh fund something you can believe any. And thirdly, and who told you that Dodge gave the entire collection? Vaughn, Kostaki also bequeathed his collection to the museum. What made things out of it at last, "Christie" - "Sotheby's"?

Based on the foregoing, Rukhin with such a reinforced concrete provenance was sold for a mere penny. And what can I do if the experts did not consider the site of all these factors?

2 manna

You very rightly noted: first of all must rely on their knowledge.

[Smirnoff]

Total:

Sold Kandinsky.
Most of the graphics Bruni did not sell .
Krasnopevtsev , Sveshnikov , Nemukhin and Weisberg - sold all the lots .
Ovchinnikov has not caused interessa the customers exactly how and Brewers but Rukhin left whole .

The result for the current demand for non-conformists great , however, and prices compared with London below , in spite of good provenance .

Should probably revise pricing policy for a number of trends in Russian art , or the sad results of the tenders will not take long to wait.

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1878721"

Based on the foregoing , Rukhin with such a reinforced concrete provenance was sold for a mere penny . And what can I do if the experts did not consider the site of all these factors ?

Experts have seen these arguments and held to his opinion . We are ready to talk Administration . If there is a documented provenance (photo, contract , other) then once all issues are removed .
By the way Alla Rosenfeld, will be in Moscow next week and we will be able to talk to her .

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Experts have seen these arguments and held to his opinion. We are ready to talk Administration. If there is a documented provenance (photo, contract, other) then once all issues are removed.
By the way Alla Rosenfeld, will be in Moscow next week and we will be able to talk to her.

If the expert is not convinced by such arguments, it is their full right. Otherwise - and the most weighty - it is just the name of Alla Rosenfeld, attracted to this auction. Well, meet you with it, so what? The experts can still say: "We do not believe it." Experts do not just know that these works were published, did not see the name Rosenfeld, so habitually put Rukhin red. I would have understood the "yellow". Types of experts protect. But the "red"? And why not the rest of the work assessed? They also need to set the color red. Kras, too, could forge. Yes, Ushakov know these work, but what if the criminals in America, they copied one to one?

What arguments were guided by the experts? That this is not a collection of Dodge? Or that part - the collection, and some - not? That there Rukhin introduced deliberately, as if mixed with fakes to originals? But Rosenfeld did not know about the auction or have not seen this Rukhin just used her name? Moreover, before selling his Rukhin, attackers in advance and protect the three years prior to this album, with its printed images. About how! How much they were able to deceive and even fund Rukhin, who oversaw the publication, I do not know - think for yourself. Perhaps there have bribed someone. On the other hand, it could be - the amount involved some serious, azhno $ 40 000.

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1879931"

Furthermore, before selling his Rukhin , attackers in advance and protect the three years before this album was printed with his image .

No need to cheat options , all can be much simpler:

In the directory Rukhin a lot of dubious and fraudulent activities.

so I'm told by our experts .

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1879931"

How much they were able to deceive and even fund Rukhin

Availability of stock is always good and usually is a good safeguard against fraud. Rare but there are exceptions. In the case of Rukhin do you think the fund - an absolute authority?

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1879931"

I guess it had hired someone

That's your assumption. Option is not a criminal you exclude ? For example not enough expertise ?

Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1879931"

A Rosenfeld did not know about the auction or have not seen this Rukhin just used her name

Yes, that's exactly what I ask .

[Алек Сандер]

I would be very grateful if you ask, Constantine. I love Rukhin (among other conformists), and the like detective stories very much. And dug deep in the album Rukhin, comparisons and analogies. In particular, the picture with a crown on the top right corner of the screen is the word "responsible duty is at the head teplotsentre at Garden Street. D.70"

This message (to a tee is the same) still occurs in a number of paintings Rukhin, published in the album. I counted 10 pieces. So either it's a hand, or Rukhin. Moreover, these pictures belong to the same period - by 1975 (only one picture in 1974). Moreover, the characteristic streaks on the crown there are still a number of works of the period, including in some studies with a similar screen lettering. I very much doubt that if poddelschiki worked so carefully and thoroughly studied the work of Rukhin, which then was simply nowhere to study, to see him this inscription and accurately reproduce it. So, again, either this is the same forger, or Rukhin. But that was so much fraud in the album ... This is really very unlikely. Moreover, the use of the same inscription Rukhin was at that time completely justified, because even then he drove the stream, laying out a series of paintings and painting over them. In general, if you use archaeological methods of comparison, we can reveal that not even one period of 10 paintings, and much more connected through the inscription and the same techniques used on these canvases. So, we must either assume all of them fakes, or all to accept them.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от artcol

Art.

[B]Yuri Albert@
[QUOTE][QUOTE][FONT="Georgia"]Sots art was invented in 1972, when artists Komar and Melamid, making camp, imagined by the artist, these bridle Soviet slogans will write from the heart. Which Lenin draw as his own father and his own father - as Lenin. That word "Communism will win!" and "the Economy should be economical!" say as a Declaration of love, and a Declaration of love as "Glory to the CPSU!". And now we see these artists and poets around. Art models really budushee@

[Pavel]

It's not like wiring? Created a buzz around the obvious stuff (see what artists in the States), smeared Soviet great art with its centuries-old traditions and continuity, and now the moor has done business and adyu.
Someone out there on permanent reputations of artists, the ratings....
Is to understand it and think... and know...