National Idea

[Маруся]

Competition - for what?
Competition - a public opinion survey?
- Competition for PR?
Competition - in order to win the support media and somehow justify the advance rent proplachennymi gallery "during" and "about" the Venice Biennale?

Well here is how it all began:

Сообщение от Konstantin; 2365621"

nationwide competition art concepts of "national idea of ​​Russia." Any Russian can take part in the competition and offer their own vision of the national idea. Best Concept will receive its embodied in the works of modern art and will be presented at the Venice Biennale 2013

And day after day admiring the scaled images Results for all the effort
And do not give me rest the question: what is the "art" of contemporary artists - in the competition, in the generation of public relations strategies? Or is it to create works of art?

But the result is - with a 5-meter high aspirations - no reason does not want to discuss can do this "Tweety is not worth transporting to Europe"? Indeed, in contemporary art, besides the establishment of this trade fair and farcical object is not, in my view, no relation

[artcol]

Сообщение от Marusya

Indeed, in contemporary art, besides the establishment, the trade fair and farcical subject has, in my opinion, nothing

Why?
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[PFFyodor]

Сообщение от artcol

Why?
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I think, if only because they do not correspond to the concepts embedded in the very definition of art, especially in terms of the artistic image and aesthetics.
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[artcol]

Сообщение от PFFyodor

I think, if only because that does not fit the concepts embedded in the very definition of art, especially in terms of the artistic image and aesthetics.
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Modern art has long pushed the boundaries of its territory, early determined only by aesthetics.

[georg mamin]

The important thing is what gives rise to the action or work . We believe it is important the two results. 1). The method of creation of the work : the refusal of the artist from his creative "I" and an open letter to the world around him with the theme of interest to society - bringing postconceptional idea to its logical conclusion. 2) What is now the work of art, but that is not to say impossible - just as it was impossible to say a hundred years ago. We can only judge by the indirect result of the interest of society to discuss what happened in the end. We did not bring to the forum links to all the articles and discussions on the topic of the product. But as an example

[Маруся]

Сообщение от georg mamin; 2534141"

postconceptional idea to bring

Certainly not on whether your request, I deleted the message , where " pro postkontseptualizm " was ...

And you are ready to discuss the artistic merits of the work?

But the answer is not to you but here goes:

Сообщение от artcol; 2533741"

Why?

What could be easier - to turn modern life into banality !
Thinking is not necessary - a competition , scored a well-known set of characters ( think - is not necessary: ​​a centuries-old stoerosovaya club and a bronze double-headed eagle - will go well for " shirnarmass ") + added " author's concept " as a reason to " dolls " - and that's what you already about the Venice Biennale. And all the media write about you as a "famous contemporary Russian artist" ...
The banality of life , even in a consumer society, (whether canned soup , or ladies' shoes , or replicated photo), is not as easy to turn into a work of art To do anything more than symbols and stereotypes of mass thinking.

Fall - always easier than climbing

[PFFyodor]

Сообщение от artcol

Modern art has long pushed the boundaries of its territory, early determined only by aesthetics.

Art is not expanded the boundaries, the boundaries expanded notion of aesthetics, but in fact, the concept of aesthetics has ceased to be nailed to a specific socio-cultural group as a leading and dictating the concept of aesthetics in the form of rigid social and societal norms, and more like fashion. Tolerance to the aesthetic perception of other people if you like. As a result - have produced genres. And contemporary art - this is more related to the new trends in art. Question - What direction or genre is this creation? Where, in what tribe or club to seek his fans, who can evaluate it from an aesthetic point of view of its visual depth and meaningful component?

Сообщение от georg mamin

The important thing is what gives rise to the action or work. We believe it is important the two results.
1). The method of creation of the work: the refusal of the artist from his creative "I" and an open letter to the world around him with the theme of interest to society - bringing postconceptional idea to its logical conclusion.

The method is not the result. This is not a new method that would create it could be the result. This method works to order.
In addition, the failure of the artist from his part of the creative "I" is the loss of just what is the essence - art. Interests of the Company subject is important, but the participation of the society here is conditional, even if you take the final customer in the face of a particular marketer who saw his work in the form of toys.
Attempt to synthesize the image from all submitted images, if there was one, I believe, are not successful. Of the vote, my opinion of you know, but because I was waiting for just the creative synthesis, which could not exist in isolation from the creative part of the artist. And this work, not even a mathematical or logical hybrid, but not as the result of an art because it is not a complete picture. It's just kind of a functional model.
I have not seen your work, which could be called the work - a piece of gold do not count? (Give the link to the gallery?) And therefore I can not make comparisons, this association with the rest of creation, that would realize how much you have moved away from their own style .

[QUOTE=georg mamin; 2534141]
2) What is now the work of art, but that is not to say impossible - just as it was impossible to say a hundred years ago. We can only judge by the indirect result of the interest of society to discuss what happened in the end. We did not bring to the forum links to all the articles and discussions on the topic of the product. But as an example

Here I agree with you, the trends may change over time, and what is not considered an art, it can be appreciated in the future descendants, but this paper is concerned with the present, and in this case for the opinion of an indefinitely large number of Russian citizens.
When your condition that the artist rejected his creative "me" and created not for ourselves, but for all, he had to consider the artistic, aesthetic standards adopted by this majority, condition, letters described model, this is not a model of visual. As well as the subsequent perception of the model these same citizens of our country.
And if we take as the basis of the majority opinion, very few people take this model. If you did make a synthesis, such a result was expected, since you work asked selects certain trends in the proposed further, people tried to match your choice in the fight for 300 000 rubles. This fact can not be denied.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Maroussia , 2534251

What could be easier - to turn modern life into banality !
Thinking is not necessary - a competition , scored a well-known set of characters ( think - is not necessary: ​​a centuries-old stoerosovaya club and a bronze double-headed eagle - will go well for " shirnarmass ") + added " author's concept " as a reason to " dolls " - and that's what you already about the Venice Biennale. And all the media write about you as a "famous contemporary Russian artist" ...
The banality of life , even in a consumer society, (whether canned soup , or ladies' shoes , or replicated photo), is not as easy to turn into a work of art To do anything more than symbols and stereotypes of mass thinking.

I do not know as to whether the artists share their reflection (perhaps not, it is not their concern, as grit ), but your words do not have it exactly . Stamp Set , sorry.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от artcol

I do not know as to whether artists reflection

Do not know - and do not;

And without any reflection and attendant stamps just admire the "work of modern art":

[Fed]

Span planned , of course, was poured into a puddle of fulfillment.
But on the other hand, the object is quite drawn to putting it into a museum of contemporary art of a second city, such as St. Petersburg.

Quite there may be a sign + description of the idea .
So the plan is executed.

If there is any state. museum of modern. art.