National Idea

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

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Strange you have a subject for discussion in the topic.
Although, who knows, maybe this is the point.

I admit, all the same, as there is with Venice and with the conditions of the competition. Let interessanty understand.
But that national idea became a ridiculous character, it was obvious from the start. Just so decided to wait until its logical conclusion - not blather early.
That's the end of it " logical end " ...
I think it was worth the organizers limited to a description, and now there are such visual connotations - Mama Do not Cry.
Perhaps, however , Constantine, right. Main - PR.
In this case, the organizers should link your visual image with the known action of the war on the Foundry Bridge. It's very rich parallels occur with lowering and raising ...
Perhaps the organizers and up to, then just take my hat ...
There is a real concept work.

[PFFyodor]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Yeah, so arranged media.
And again, the people interesting, of course, the yacht Abramovich than any exhibition of a Prigov.
But if you type the word in Google ass, I'm sorry, there is, I think, more than the reference links to visit Venice during the 54th Biennial yacht Abramovich. No?

And this is also true when they say that the end justifies the means, the most obvious example of this, you want the headlines - of the red area in the nude, to guarantee - in Balaklava, with the poster "Long live the modern art! Give national idea!" millions of video views, quotes, popularity, headlines in all the media, and even stories on the national news in almost all countries will be provided. Pussy Riot such as Madonna and even flew them to support the course of Putin's words about them is put on mayhem, but if everything is out of politics, then it is fine by 2000 would cost.

Abramovich's yacht is interesting because it is clear, it is expensive, it's cool, it is scandalous. Abramovich popular than other pop music stars. But the specific contemporary art exhibitions, diverse, cover them uncomfortable, simply does not reach. This is roughly equivalent to the exhibitions of new products or auto computer technology, describe the thematic journal more or less, with only talking about the most famous brands ... and all other media is perhaps that event is when someone, whether or not payment has advertising article.

Everything is within. These masterpieces are no longer created, make that affect the heart of each of the second (or even tenth) who looks at your work and it will be on the front pages of all media, will be the creation of such works trend - will become world famous. A lot of pretty pictures, but those that are made to feel that either a positive and strong, such as ecstasy, almost 0.

Сообщение от fabosch

Perhaps, however, Constantine, right. Main - PR.
In this case, the organizers should link your visual image with the known action of the war on the Foundry Bridge. It's very rich parallels occur with lowering and raising ...
Perhaps the organizers and up to, then just take my hat ...
Here is the present concept is obtained.

Before that I think will not come, for such hints, it seems almost non-virtual tour of places not so remote receive. Although, if they really are as part of the opposition until the hidden creative act, it would be interesting, and if it does so it will be, then I'm in a different key will finish writing his opus about the competition. But while this is the official version of sense. Everyone else, apparently, were a complete surprise.
Of PR - There is a good example, 4 people with similar fame, Khazanov, Zadornov Zhvanetsky and Zhirinovsky, and the reaction to the performances of all of approximately the same, the majority of people laugh, but the reputation of the different ... as reason to laugh ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLvzkHIsyI (to the barrier Khazanov vs Zhirinovsky)

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Konstantin; 2526761"

comparison would be appropriate if the word was mentioned in connection with the Biennale. And so - no.

I gave the word and the number of references to it in Google as an example of interest - I've brought the number of requests for Vencie sunset yacht Abramovich interest narshirmass as an example , by the way , those narshirmass our narshirmassy very little interest in this , of course:

Abramovich yacht venice Results: about 48 900.

[манна]

All of this - a storm in a glass.

I do not understand - what this group claims?

Guys - well done . This PR for ten ... life is good!

Сообщение от PFFyodor; 2524941"

I peed somewhere saying " private" ? I say " not fair "

This is not a typo , it's the point. This is - a private event " the girl who dines , he is dancing " ....

Make their, for their ... with the " fine print " or without it ... What you want , and select ([B]for the money !) [/​​B]

The result? Thanks forumnym zubaskalam , I now also seems absurd UD . (To do this, simply clumsy Roly-Poly )


PS: thanks to the organizers , this coffin in the helmet (see attachment) is not chosen .... horror-horror , as well as banishing " the devil" , ie statue of liberty ....

PPP: Comrade . Mamin, do your nat. Idea and not pay attention to the enemies ...

PPPS : I'm here I want to go to Art Basel this year. Art Basel , which will be 304 galleries from 39 countries. Ours is not !

Our " UD " on the outskirts of Venice? Well, we should start with something .... I wish you good luck ...

[artcol]

Сообщение от Manna

All of this - a storm in a glass.

I do not understand - what this group claims?

Guys - well done. This PR for ten ... life is good!

This is not a typo, it's the point. This is - a private event "the girl who dines, he is dancing" ....

Make their, for their ... with the "fine print" or without it ... What you want, and select ([B]for the money!) [/​​B]

The result? Thanks forumnym zubaskalam, I now also seems absurd UD. (To do this, simply clumsy Roly-Poly)


PS: thanks to the organizers, this coffin in the helmet (see attachment) is not chosen .... horror-horror, as well as banishing "the devil", ie statue of liberty ....

PPP: Comrade. Mamin, do your nat. Idea and not pay attention to the enemies ...

PPPS: I'm here I want to go to Art Basel this year. Art Basel, which will be 304 galleries from 39 countries. Ours is not!

Our "UD" on the outskirts of Venice? Well, we should start with something .... I wish you good luck ...

Public offer made by a private person an indefinite number of other individuals.

By the way, makes it possible Gelman recalled a similar event Komar and Melamid's "first duty-free trade between the U.S. and the Soviet Union: Sale of souls." Syzrasnky, the course itself? You can look on the Internet >

[PFFyodor]

Сообщение от Manna

All of this - a storm in a glass.

I do not understand - what this group claims?

Guys - well done. This PR for ten ... life is good!

This is not a typo, it's the point. This is - a private event "the girl who dines, he is dancing" ....

Make their, for their ... with the "fine print" or without it ... What you want, and select ([B]for the money!) [/​​B]

The result? Thanks forumnym zubaskalam, I now also seems absurd UD. (To do this, simply clumsy Roly-Poly)

Claims just understandable, it was not any fine print, and any fine print - an attempt to mislead.
And it did, as you described, just a contest ordered otimeli as we could have done as a result of AP on very bad and then hands apart, saying that nothing is promised, but again do believe it themselves and fools.

Сообщение от Manna

PS: thanks to the organizers, this coffin in the helmet (see attachment) is not chosen .... horror-horror, as well as banishing "the devil", ie statue of liberty ....

PPP: Comrade. Mamin, do your nat. Idea and not pay attention to the enemies ...

PPPS: I'm here I want to go to Art Basel this year. Art Basel, which will be 304 galleries from 39 countries. Ours is not!

Our "UD" on the outskirts of Venice? Well, we should start with something .... I wish you good luck ...

Yes, there were a lot of things that "neither God forbid" ...
The question is not to the art that they make it so different is that sometimes it makes no sense to compare and comment. Question for positioning.
Russia's national idea, it is in fact a deep image of all the Russians, mudslinging and exhibiting fools never approved, and their selection of shortlisted awkward heap Shit-a, figurative and formal, as it hints.
Yes, we can do all bad, but it does not necessarily razgolyatsya to Europe or diminish the general human value of the Russians mnogosmyslennyh eldoy.
Not only that, it shows how the choice of Russians is the vote in which real votes on average 30 to the concept and really decided the fate of any "jokes" Mothers with Saunino.

And in fact, all of the claims only around the sound system, they would not be any sort, tell them in a contest without boast, "We want to do something unusual, we need an idea, preferably national, we do not know what it is, the book read a lot and boring movies hour and a half, too boring and uninteresting, we do art, we need to in the images, in pictures, but no one has nothing of interest, and are already asking when the winner will get the money and we decided to make all official - you can send an idea on the subject of "Russia's national idea", every 2 weeks, we will most like to hang out on the Internet, and after 3 months, we select from them the one that will sculpt and to those who offered to give her money. We do not have a contract with a gallery for exhibitions but we will try to present it at the Biennale of 2013. "

Why such a claim to the conditions - because they claim that it was originally intended, in accordance with my version, and all of them well just misunderstood all of their promises, and the rest was for beauty, like that girl who dances, "and married and coat and fapochku ... ", and as a result ... AP.

And if the grand plans but does not work - why not honestly report? So, do not get ...

But described the ambitions of masters, the general background:
- "We are great, we have a national idea do we what we behold, and the money we have, not only ideas,"
- Uh ... And who are you?
- "Well, we travel around the galleries with a sign"

And judging by the posts, articles and opinions in the blogosphere, this is the swing, which is much higher even than the figures held much of modern art, and initially caused distrust and subsequent Lulz.
Trolls to the party sort of modern art. http://lurkmore.to/%d2%f0%ee%eb%eb%fc

[Маруся]

Сообщение от fabosch; 2526931"

Strange you have a subject for discussion in the topic.
Although, who knows, maybe this is the point.


Perhaps, however , Constantine, right. Main - PR.

What is the purpose of all this activity - PR, clear. PR is not clear what? Strategy of " how to promote an artist" ? The ideas of the artists ' conceptions of national competition " for the lack of their own? Or " modern art ", which was the result of tremendous efforts of the authors?
In general , it seems this is a new trend of modern art , " author of the idea " - Mr. Wu , "the artist - performer" - Mr. H. This kind of division of creative effort. Somewhere I have heard that ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от manna

guys - well done.
This PR for ten ... to be envied!

Yes, probably, well done, if the objective is pushing the self.

Well, it is, I think, succeeded.
Propiarit.

So what?
All of them?

Now we can say:

Сообщение от georg mamin

Well, you bastards

 
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[ANATOLY]

Сообщение от fabosch; 2526931"

Strange you have a subject for discussion in this thread.

Strange, is not only debate but also a strange choice of the national idea. The competition is announced as art-concept "national idea of ​​Russia." National idea can be: world domination (Russian covers the globe), reforging swords into plowshares (sculpture already), friendship among peoples, the pursuit of true freedom (man tearing chains on their feet, with broken hands), the pursuit of education (human reading a book), the creation of the state of the peace (man hole is dug in the weapon), but you never know what ideas can bring people together. But the majority, including the founders of the contest went the slogan proclaimed and came to the national character. A symbol can be a tumbler, while Germany this symbol is more suitable for today's Russia is more suitable course passport with a Schengen visa or a portrait of petroleum University, but more typical drunken man or woman-to-rail puteets shoulders. Between the national idea and national feature-difference exactly 180g. So what purpose the organizers of the contest have reached is not clear?

[AlexSpb]

Perhaps the most distinct and explicit of all that I have read on the subject, this article by Dmitry Bykov about Vysotsky in the Continent.
http://magazines.russ.ru/continent/2010/146/by28.html
I 'm not a big fan of his , but the train of thought originality and virtuosity argument can not command respect.
Too lazy to read the whole article, you can go right to the end of it, where about national idea .

As for the winning project , then, in my opinion, it contains an explicit reference to the already laid me on this forum Photo playground in Dushanbe since the Moscow Olympics.

P.S. On the home page is not displayed , I was there in the " memoir " theme a little added ...