Photography (photography), art (painting)

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от spigo

You have the function "white balance" use? This feature allows you to correctly render colors regardless of the light shifts.

Naturally, you must configure the "white balance". This is a selection of standard setting from the list, or be configured individually. In most digital cameras this is done with any ideal white surface. But as even a white sheet of paper is actually a little gray, not all of the conditions is painless.
Some modern cameras, white balance "can be directly set the color temperature.

Typically, low-cost amateur camera much lie with the white balance in all cases, regardless of the settings. So we have to buy a semi compact camera, for example, Panasonic DMC-LX3 (Price in Moscow on 18-20 thousand rubles) or the Canon G-11 (Price in Moscow on 20-24 thousand rubles). Or buy an inexpensive SLR camera, which is preferable in terms of quality (the price of 20 thousand rubles).

Сообщение от Grigory

For exact color around the picture fix the color chart and pictures of them together. And the computer bring to mind the color on this model (assuming kallibrovannogo monitor).

Makes sense. This is particularly true love to take pictures when you have to demonstrate to the client, for which he pays the money.

With today's monitors - Ambush! They usually lie in the direction of the red spectrum. A high-quality professional monitor La CIE is enough money. Another couple of hundred dollars worth calibrator.
How to save money?
Oddly enough, the old CRT monitors (or CRT-monitors) with color much better than today's flat panel. Therefore, many design offices can still be seen on the tables of these big pot-bellied "coffins" size 17 "-19" -21. "I was an old pro Hitachi 19". And when I realized that with the new monitor, do not cook meals, then pulled out of the closet "old man". With his help I managed to get almost perfect in the suit!

[artcol]

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Och.horoshuyu color traditionally have with the standard Nikon lenses.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от spigo

With this problem I wrestle nearly 10 years. Over the years, came to the conclusion that some pasty written works from my collection, especially dark colors, without the "las" and "light" photograph is simply impossible. By the way, a professional whose services I once used, this problem is also not decided.

I'm not in vain up that topic. I spent a month on something to solve this problem. And boasted - I solved it! And will not have to change anything in Photoshop.

I do not want to just talk about everything, as many forumisty not prepared to issue digital photography. Educational program is needed on many issues. Besides, our people somehow do not believe self-confident and fast statements. But when a long dispute themselves reach the point - only then will believe forever!

PS

Nice that not only I found fulguration problem. The report suggests that even professional photographers can not solve it. The fact is that few photographers who would like to specialize only in the shooting of painting - this can not survive.

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Сообщение от Yaya

1) I think that the very formulation of the problem (copy the picture to 100%for the directory) is incorrect. For the simple reason that you're still going to do before printing, color correction. Not to mention that the preview image is adjusted in Photoshop.
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2) With regard to how the display light - do not bother. People this for years in institutions teach. In the correspondence on the forum this science you (with all due respect <!--~ a ~-->) not afford it.

You have quite a good device for such purpose, as the Internet. True, much "soaps" because of the high resolution of 14MP for a matrix of small size. In the new model G11 producer reduced resolution up to 10Mp. To remove the camera was better.

1) I believe that the more accurately we'll take a picture on the camera, the easier it is to fit the file in Photoshop to the requirements of printing. There are such "frames" that make such personnel, provided that no editing is not help!

2) Do not jump to conclusions, and in setting the world figure it out! It's simple if you know some tricks that have not been described in books and manuals on photography. After all, for photographers that separate topics as photography pictures does not exist.

[KaterinaMN]

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, intended to give references to Moscow photographers who, including the Museum of icons done shooting for high-quality printing, but I see you got your problem has already been decided.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от artcol

To avoid glare, the picture should be shot against the light. This requires a SLR with a VERY high-aperture lens.

No, work against the light is contraindicated. You will not get lively colors. Moreover, at low light digital cameras will start to give very noticeable digital noise and strongly lie in color. Nor will the lens with a large aperture. While your premise initially seems right and logical. I tried the lens with bright F2 (smaller the number, the more lumens) - better find problematic. And there are better lenses already 1000-2000-3000 U.S.. But there is no sense to buy them - just need to correctly set the light.

Posted 21 minutes

Сообщение от Amateur

1) I especially recommend http://club.foto.ru/forum/.
Books:
Gagman NA "Photographing works of art." M.: "Art", 1963.
Nickel H.L. "Fotografie im Dienste der Kunst". Halle (Saale): Fotokinoverlag, 1959,

But in fact, these tips are limited to those that were here have already been expressed.

2) umbrellas and other reflectors are not necessary.

3) Next, the lens is screwed a polarizing filter , and its angle of orientation is chosen experimentally to minimize glare from the stroke.

4) The angle of incidence of light on the picture and its orientation relative to the light sources should also be varied in order to minimize the intensity of glare - often have to do test shots. 100%elimination of all glare it does not, but 90%can be obtained. The rest is removed manually in Photoshop.

5) The lens, if possible, better to use long-focus, but will have to go away.

6) And yet I dare say that the best results for the reproduction of small patterns (up to 100x100 cm) makes it still not a camera, and scanner. Scan can be parts, with a stock and then "stitch" together in Photoshop or "Paint Shop Pro" (there, in my opinion, this is much nicer).

1) This book I have found. Basically they're talking about shooting architecture. After examining the text, is forced to note that it is quite outdated, age 30-40. We consider a black and white photography of paintings on the film. Some ideas for the arrangement of light and relevant now, but in general, unfortunately, is not it. Let me say that I am in no way accusing you of old age in this book, simply stating a fact. In any case, thank you for your help and attention, as some sensible ideas I found in the text.

Note that 20-30-40 years ago, the requirements for taking pictures were totally different. This is largely determined by the capabilities of the Soviet printing. Look albums of the time: mostly reproductions of black and white, on the whole album, only a few pasted color illustrations. The quality is very low for modern requirements. What can I say! Even the albums that were issued in 80 of the 20 century in the West is of high quality printing in its modern understanding.

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2) do not agree. Umbrella or diffuser type soft box gives a more even and soft light. They are also good to vary to emphasize the texture of the painting. It is believed that typically the light source is slightly above and left of the artist when he drew a picture. Gagman wrote:
"To find the correct position of the light source in relation to the picture, try to reproduce that character lighting, in which the artist worked on it. Usually, it was a soft diffused light for a small study, write directly on the nature, and for a larger picture soft day light from the window of the shop, falling on the surface of paintings mostly on the left and slightly above. It is obvious that the character of lighting in which the relief pattern was created and evaluated by its author, should be repeated whenever possible and taking pictures of this product. "

This must be done so that the light from the left side was stronger than the right. There are several ways to achieve this:
a) Put the light source on the left and slightly upward. On the right side spotlight now with a simple reflector, which may be a blank sheet of drawing paper size you want or a piece of white cloth. This is the budget option, but not quite suitable for large canvases the size of 1,5-2 meters wide.
b) left to put impulstnuyu flash lamp or constant light (spotlight) with soft-box or with an umbrella on clearance. Right - the same lamp or flash with an umbrella in the reflection. Umbrella reflection will lower the flow of light.
It is not so expensive - the universal umbrella (on reflection and in transmission) can be bought around 1000 rubles. a diameter of 110-120 see themselves electricians will cost more, if anyone interested, I can tell you more.
This set will simplify the life of the photographer, if you want to shoot pictures continuously.

3) reasonable advice.

4) Glare can remove almost everything. But it is difficult.

5) Exactly. Short-focus lens will give a big barrel distortion, which can be corrected by software (converters) that come bundled with SLR cameras. But a more reasonable long-focus the lens to physically reduce these distortions. It seems to me to take a SLR camera is convenient to use a lens with variable focal length (known as zoom). Then do not have to rearrange heavy tripod when changing the picture on the picture a different size. For the "reflex" best use of the lens with focal length 18-55 mm (for Crop camera it will be about 28-80mm. The equivalent film camera 35 mm). It is best to shoot at medium focal lengths, since the extreme regimes tend to give more distortion at low-cost lenses.

6) Scanner - a great solution for small oil works and graphics. But I would not do with the scanner work more size A4 or A3 - who has a scanner at home there.
Scan parts - a long time and can damage the surface of the picture due to the movement pattern of the scanner. To photograph the great works will still be easier.

Posted 35 minutes

Сообщение от artcol

http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/design/84186/
Och.horoshuyu color traditionally have a Nikon with standard optics.

Decimal
Personally for myself I came to the same conclusion. Do photographers is that they make more clear pictures than the Canon, and are more natural color. In addition, regular cheap lenses from Nikon is much better than regular cheap lenses from Canon. Therefore advantageous to buy a set (called KIT) of the SLR camera (called a "body" or "Bird") and standard zoom lens-type AF-S 18-55 DX VR F3 ,5-5, 5G.

In terms of quality and financial viability, I chose NIKON D5000 kit AF-S 18-55 DX VR. 12 MP is enough. Its price in Moscow from 23 to 25 thousand rubles. It is cheaper to buy in the shops, if they do not cheat, of course.

However, nothing bad to say about other Nikon cameras or Canon. In the end, someone like that, and what money is in the bag. The least expensive "SLR" in the set with "whale" lens will cost about 20 thousand rubles. Dear prof. cameras can cost 200-300 thousand rubles only for the "body" without the lens.

to be continued ...

Posted 54 minutes

Сообщение от artcol

need a tripod if you do not have enough light. But it is a crutch, just need prof. apparatus.

Disagree. If you shoot dozens of pictures at once, then a tripod greatly simplifies the job - no need to keep on the weight of heavy machinery.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

No, work against the light is contraindicated. You will not get lively colors. Moreover, at low light digital cameras will start to give very noticeable digital noise and strongly lie in color. Nor will the lens with a large aperture. While your premise initially seems right and logical. I tried the lens with bright F2 (smaller the number, the more lumens) - better find problematic. And there are better lenses already 1000-2000-3000 U.S.. But there is no sense to buy them - just need to correctly set the light.

Posted 21 minutes


1) This book I have found. Basically they're talking about shooting architecture. After examining the text, is forced to note that it is quite outdated, age 30-40. We consider a black and white photography of paintings on the film. Some ideas for the arrangement of light and relevant now, but in general, unfortunately, is not it. Let me say that I am in no way accusing you of old age in this book, simply stating a fact. In any case, thank you for your help and attention, as some sensible ideas I found in the text.

Note that 20-30-40 years ago, the requirements for taking pictures were totally different. This is largely determined by the capabilities of the Soviet printing. Look albums of the time: mostly reproductions of black and white, on the whole album, only a few pasted color illustrations. The quality is very low for modern requirements. What can I say! Even the albums that were issued in 80 of the 20 century in the West is of high quality printing in its modern understanding.

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2) do not agree. Umbrella or diffuser type soft box gives a more even and soft light. They are also good to vary to emphasize the texture of the painting. It is believed that typically the light source is slightly above and left of the artist when he drew a picture. Gagman wrote:
"To find the correct position of the light source in relation to the picture, try to reproduce that character lighting, in which the artist worked on it. Usually, it was a soft diffused light for a small study, write directly on the nature, and for a larger picture soft day light from the window of the shop, falling on the surface of paintings mostly on the left and slightly above. It is obvious that the character of lighting in which the relief pattern was created and evaluated by its author, should be repeated whenever possible and taking pictures of this product. "

This must be done so that the light from the left side was stronger than the right. There are several ways to achieve this:
a) Put the light source on the left and slightly upward. On the right side spotlight now with a simple reflector, which may be a blank sheet of drawing paper size you want or a piece of white cloth. This is the budget option, but not quite suitable for large canvases the size of 1,5-2 meters wide.
b) left to put impulstnuyu flash lamp or constant light (spotlight) with soft-box or with an umbrella on clearance. Right - the same lamp or flash with an umbrella in the reflection. Umbrella reflection will lower the flow of light.
It is not so expensive - the universal umbrella (on reflection and in transmission) can be bought around 1000 rubles. a diameter of 110-120 see themselves electricians will cost more, if anyone interested, I can tell you more.
This set will simplify the life of the photographer, if you want to shoot pictures continuously.

3) reasonable advice.

4) Glare can remove almost everything. But it is difficult.

5) Exactly. Short-focus lens will give a big barrel distortion, which can be corrected by software (converters) that come bundled with SLR cameras. But a more reasonable long-focus the lens to physically reduce these distortions. It seems to me to take a SLR camera is convenient to use a lens with variable focal length (known as zoom). Then do not have to rearrange heavy tripod when changing the picture on the picture a different size. For the "reflex" best use of the lens with focal length 18-55 mm (for Crop camera it will be about 28-80mm. The equivalent film camera 35 mm). It is best to shoot at medium focal lengths, since the extreme regimes tend to give more distortion at low-cost lenses.

6) Scanner - a great solution for small oil works and graphics. But I would not do with the scanner work more size A4 or A3 - who has a scanner at home there.
Scan parts - a long time and can damage the surface of the picture due to the movement pattern of the scanner. To photograph the great works will still be easier.

Posted 35 minutes


Decimal
Personally for myself I came to the same conclusion. Do photographers is that they make more clear pictures than the Canon, and are more natural color. In addition, regular cheap lenses from Nikon is much better than regular cheap lenses from Canon. Therefore advantageous to buy a set (called KIT) of the SLR camera (called a "body" or "Bird") and standard zoom lens-type AF-S 18-55 DX VR F3 ,5-5, 5G.

In terms of quality and financial viability, I chose NIKON D5000 kit AF-S 18-55 DX VR. 12 MP is enough. Its price in Moscow from 23 to 25 thousand rubles. It is cheaper to buy in the shops, if they do not cheat, of course.

However, nothing bad to say about other Nikon cameras or Canon. In the end, someone like that, and what money is in the bag. The least expensive "SLR" in the set with "whale" lens will cost about 20 thousand rubles. Dear prof. cameras can cost 200-300 thousand rubles only for the "body" without the lens.

to be continued ...

Posted 54 minutes


Disagree. If you shoot dozens of pictures at once, it greatly simplifies the tripod - no need to keep on the weight of a heavy vehicle.

There are lenses with aperture 1.7. And the budget. SLR cameras - the last century. Personally, I plzuyus this http://www.olympus.com.ru/consumer/21693_pen-camera_e-p1_21723 . htm. Allows you to shoot with his hands in any circumstances. For printing eat-but need at least some conditions.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от artcol

There are lenses with aperture 1.7. And the budget. SLR cameras - the last century. Personally, I plzuyus this http://www.olympus.com.ru/consumer/21693_pen-camera_e-p1_21723 . htm. Allows you to shoot with his hands in any circumstances. For printing eating-but need at least some conditions.

 Most budget-zoom lens with bright 1,7 does not exist. Most likely, it will be a lens with fixed focal length (fix), which is not very convenient to use.
 Most budget fixe 35 mm and aperture F1, 8 I found a Nikon, its lowest price in Moscow about 10 rubles. This NIKON 35mm f/1.8G AF-S DX Nikkor. While the whale (core) optical zoom lenses are 5-6 thousand rubles. A "fix" bright F1, 4 Nikon AF-S 50 mm f/1.4G Nikkor already drawn under the 20 thousand rubles. There are models and 40-50 thousand rubles. The fact that low-cost model of the old lenses do not quite fit the low-cost kropnutye "reflex." Although they can be used - will not work auto focus, that for shooting static picture is not so important.

Most of the budget staff of lenses from Nikon, Canon and Olympus are the best value of intensity 3.5 (on a short focal length). But, as an option, you can work with a relatively inexpensive this fix with a high aperture, the more so that his image quality should be high compared to the price-zoom lens.

   I forgot to write about a SLR camera Olympus - many of them like the price /quality ratio. These are the cheapest SLRs - a set with 14-45 lens will cost about 16 thousand rubles. But there are significant shortcomings in these models. If you decide to develop their passion for photography, you will find that a very small set of Olympus lenses and they are quite expensive. Photographers tend to choose not just the camera, and the system, ie "Body" + opportunity to buy interchangeable lenses. Personally, I liked the version of the system from Nikon, but many prefer Canon. There is no absolute leader - for some items are much Leads Canon - it concerns flagship cameras. Ie professional equipment with the matrix, whose size is equal to the size of the frame of the classical film 35 mm.

   You've got to zone for beginners, what is Crop-factor. Crop - a figure which shows the ratio of the physical size of the matrix digital camera to the frame size of 35 mm film classic. Crop irrelevant to the resolution matrix. Previously, most SLR were called "Kropnutye. In Nikon Crop factor is equal to 1,5 and 1,6 have Sanon. The lower the figure, the greater the actual physical size of the matrix. U SLR "Olympus Crop factor=2, ie have very little matrix among SLR. Crop factor is the size of the diagonal rather than square. U compact digital cameras, the size of the matrix quite tiny, Crop factor varies from 4.4 (this is the best) to 7 (this is terrible).

   Now the fashion to flagship matrix Crop factor = 1. But that is the lot of professionals and professional enthusiasts. My friend, the photographer now buys most popular full-length camera Canon 5d mark II with a resolution martitsy 21 MPs. Its price for the "body" in Moscow about 80/85 thousand rubles. My friend for the sake of this camera is even ready to change the system and buy Canon lenses in place of its existing Nikon. Why? The fact that a similar camera from Nikon is now worth many times more expensive!

   What gives the full-size matrix?
1) Ability to use the camera lenses from the old film "SLR" without regard Crop factor. The fact is that kropnutyh matrices must preschityvat focal length. For example, a lens with a physical focal length of 50 mm. gives the camera Nikon (Crop Factor 1.5) the same effect as the 75 mm lens on the classic film cameras. A lens Olympus physical focal length of 14 mm. gives the camera Olympus (Crop factor 2) the same effect as a 28 mm lens on the classic film camera.
2) The larger the matrix, the more pixels it can be arranged, and the greater will be their physical size. This will give higher sensitivity and lower noise level. This is really important!

[artcol]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

budgetary obektivov-zoom with bright 1.7 does not exist. Most likely, it will be a lens with fixed focal length (fix), which is not very convenient to use. Most of the budget staff of lenses from Nikon, Canon and Olympus are the best value of intensity 3.5 (on a short focal length). But, as an option, you can work with a relatively inexpensive this fix with a high aperture, the more so that his image quality should be high compared to the price-zoom lens.

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   I forgot to write about a SLR camera Olympus - many of them like the price /quality ratio. These are the cheapest SLRs - a set with 14-45 lens will cost about 16 thousand rubles. But there are significant shortcomings in these models. If you decide to develop their passion for photography, you will find that a very small set of Olympus lenses and they are quite expensive. Photographers tend to choose not just the camera, and the system, ie "Body" + opportunity to buy interchangeable lenses. Personally, I liked the version of the system from Nikon, but many prefer Canon. There is no absolute leader - for some items are much Leads Canon - it concerns flagship cameras. Ie professional equipment with the matrix, whose size is equal to the size of the frame of the classical film 35 mm.

   You've got to zone for beginners, what is Crop-factor. Crop - a figure which shows the ratio of the physical size of the matrix digital camera to the frame size of 35 mm film classic. Crop irrelevant to the resolution matrix. Previously, most SLR were called "Kropnutye. In Nikon Crop factor is equal to 1,5 and 1,6 have Sanon. The lower the figure, the greater the actual physical size of the matrix. U SLR "Olympus Crop factor=2, ie have very little matrix among SLR. Crop factor is the size of the diagonal rather than square. U compact digital cameras, the size of the matrix quite tiny, Crop factor varies from 4.4 (this is the best) to 7 (this is terrible).

   Now the fashion to flagship matrix Crop factor = 1. But that is the lot of professionals and professional enthusiasts. My friend, the photographer now buys most popular full-length camera Canon 5d mark II with a resolution martitsy 21 MPs. Its price for the "body" in Moscow about 80/85 thousand rubles. My friend for the sake of this camera is even ready to change the system and buy Canon lenses in place of its existing Nikon. Why? The fact that a similar camera from Nikon is now worth many times more expensive!

   What gives the full-size matrix?
1) Ability to use the camera lenses from the old film "SLR" without regard Crop factor. The fact is that kropnutyh matrices must preschityvat focal length. For example, a lens with a physical focal length of 50 mm. gives the camera Nikon (Crop Factor 1.5) the same effect as the 75 mm lens on the classic film cameras. A lens Olympus physical focal length of 14 mm. gives the camera Olympus (Crop factor 2) the same effect as a 28 mm lens on the classic film camera.
2) The larger the matrix, the more pixels it can be arranged, and the greater will be their physical size. This will give higher sensitivity and lower noise level. This is really important!

You are not aware of the latest frontiers of digital photography.
http://ailev.livejournal.com/801781.html

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от artcol

You do not know the last frontiers of digital photography.
http://ailev.livejournal.com/801781.html

You are mistaken. The fact that you are showing - this digital camera with interchangeable lenses but without a mirror. It is believed that they occupy an intermediate position between tsifromylnitsami and tsifrozerkalkami. Now this technique produces mainly two companies Olympus and Panasonic, is less popular Samsung. Crop factor=2, as a "SLR" Olympus. Theoretically, these cells should provide quality "SLR", but have a more compact size.

In early 2010, I personally was a camera, to which you referred earlier - Olympus E-P1 kit 14-42. Retail price around 29-30 thousand rub.Kak see, this is almost twice as expensive as similar to "reflex." She had first attracted me to its retro design and compactness. But I got rid of it after a week of possession, thought best to sell a 30%discount. A little later to tell what it was. My opinion is indirectly supported by the fact that Olympus have now released to the market following model Olympus E-P2, which is already near to 40 thousand rubles for the whale.

So, you will be shocked valued lenses for these cameras. If you are 20 thousand rubles for a glass - the budget, then ...
In short, while it is only expensive toy for rich people.

PS

Thank you for participating in the topic. We create here so soon complete a master class for forumistov mastering digital cameras.

[Yaya]

about the white balance. There are special filters that are placed on floodlights, they can be regulirat color temperature. Other filters light scatter. This helps avoid glare.

Generally, if you're so serious about, I'm afraid (my opinion), a Nikon you have to throw in the trash . There were no main issues you are with him decide. A must buy something truly adult. For example, as this wondrous lord.