Porcelain in bronze gilt, that for a brand?

[uriart]

Dear disputants!

For this production Royal Manufactory of Sevres, is this vase is irrelevant!
In Europe and in the first and second half of the 19 th century, and even in Paris itself, there were many factories that make the products "a la Sevres" just used this brand.
The quality varies greatly with this Sevres products.
Type of how the absence of stamped write a simple.
So here, who could not afford to buy this product bought imitation.

[mark4445]

Maybe then somebody will ssylochku, look at the real Sevres, very much want to look what they are so different.

[Agatha Gregson]

What could be more elementary than type in the search string such as Yandex word Sevres "and see what" thrown out ".
Here, for example based on my three-minute efforts of samples vases 18 th century:
http://www.dpholding.ru/dosie/?action=photo&id=26
Here in this store are Sèvres vase about your period (since the truth a little younger):
http://www.antikvar-moscow.ru/galler...64663a82d37dd#
But the main problem with your vase is not that it is not Sèvres, and that the class of your stuff is very low. And so you can see this simply hold the monitor for half an hour, and "crawl" the eyes that quality porcelain, which is available in an antique sale.
And then you realize that your bowl is nothing more than just a fashionable interior object (sorry that it lost steam), the second half of the 19 th century, which placed a manufacturer like Sevres stamp just to make it possible to sell in the province of any- some unsophisticated buyer (="Luohu Provisional Government") as a Sevres vase.

[mark4445]

Vase (5747)
Author: France, Sevres
Dimensions: Height 60 cm
Material: Porcelain enamel cobalt, zhiv.ris.miniatyury, flowers on a bronze base with bronze handles s /l
Date of manufacture: The end of 19 century

Vase with lid (5959)
Author: France, Sevres
Dimensions: Height: 105cm
Material: Porcelain enamel cobalt, zhiv.ris.batalnaya scene on a bronze base with bronze handles s /l
Date of manufacture: The end of 19 century


Agatha Gregson - these vases I found on your link ( it is the same high-quality porcelain, which is available in antique sales ). And as you put it " scanned their eyes ". But those fundamental differences with my vase, about which you wrote, I honestly did not find one, except that only the bronze cleaner.

[mark4445]

Сообщение от Ms

Something about the hallmarks of Sevres. Double L mean, Louis XV,

you sottvetsvenno date in 1758. Stylistically this is not possible, it is only the beginning of classicism and such severe forms just could not be. Bronze is too rough and the proportions too much.
Another small detail, on the covers as a rule Sevres hallmarks not Stvilia is the first sign of role model.
As mentioned above, this is a Sevres, which often occur in the XIX century, your thing I would have reacted to the second half of the century. The work of average quality, which can be seen on bronze and on a rough painting, figurines painful clumsy.
It should be from 300 to 500 euros.

Based on your words, that this subject: http://cgi.ebay.com/PR-19THC-BRONZE-...item2a063edf34 should be 1754 ? (see bottom photo)

[Agatha Gregson]

mark4445, to explain what I had in mind, I will give you here an example of an entirely different sphere. Here we assume people live in a large metropolitan area, that is, every day sees a wide variety of cars ... And suppose he did not understand their technical characteristics, or their prices, or the reputation of their manufacturers, etc. But if you put before him such as BMW X5 and the same amount of Chinese SUV, I am 100%sure that the question of which vehicle belongs to a high class, and how to lower - it will make a choice without hesitation. How did he know? It is just a feel. In the lines of things in general impression things ... Because in his head already have a lot of material for analysis. So - you just need to watch, watch, watch and watch ... All absorbed and pererabotetsya.

[mark4445]

Сообщение от Agatha Gregson

mark4445, to explain what I had in mind, I will give you here an example of an entirely different sphere. Here we assume people live in a large metropolitan area, that is, every day sees a wide variety of cars ... And suppose he did not understand their technical characteristics, or their prices, or the reputation of their manufacturers, etc. But if you put before him such as BMW X5 and the same amount of Chinese SUV, I am 100%sure that the question of which vehicle belongs to a high class, and some to low - he will make a choice without hesitation. How did he know? It is just a feel. In the lines of things in general impression things ... Because in his head already have a lot of material for analysis. So - you just need to watch, watch, watch and watch ... All absorbed and pererabotetsya.

It's all "lyrics." You explain to me specifically about these two vases, as they are so different from mine?

[Agatha Gregson]

mark4445, I do not know how to answer your question, sorry. That's really different than BMW from the Chinese car? Yes, in principle, nothing: four wheels, steering wheel, just gives the driver from point A to point B. .. From vases as well. Nothing in principle do not differ, and the price is why it is very different.

[mark4445]

Сообщение от Agatha Gregson

mark4445, I do not know how to answer your question, sorry. That's really different than BMW from the Chinese car? Yes, in principle, nothing: four wheels, steering wheel, just gives the driver from point A to point B. .. From vases as well. Nothing in principle do not differ, and the price is why it is very different.

Well, obviously, usually when the case has nothing to say, people begin to philosophize on distant subjects, about the BMW and Chinese ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от mark4445

Well, obviously, usually when the case has nothing to say

Would you like to see here an article in which you would have given the whole alignment as Sevres from pseudo-Sevres feature?