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[Allena]

In my opinion, Alexander offered a very reasonable and noble thing. Well, where, say, the neophyte learns to read akutsionnye catalogs, which in their casuistry not far removed from legal documents or scientific reports?
 
I think that we should not complicate anything and indulge in excessive seriousness and globalize any existing problems: There is no question about the guarantees of authenticity, etc. You know, in the years physicists have been poets such books "Physics joke" and "physicists continue to joke" ( who have, I recommend to read - mass transports). So there was a brilliant essay "How to read a scientific report" (alas, not at hand), where, in particular, we remember, 2 transferred from scientific-sounding language on human:
"during the experiment, the instrument has been damaged by accident" - read: dropped on the floor ;
"... with the device treated with the utmost caution" - read: dropped it on the floor . That, and Alexander offers roughly the same thing, only not in jest but in earnest. I think that his proposal will certainly be in demand.

Now regarding the names, regalia, etc.: I think that the format of this forum is all not necessary, without them all to communicate easier and easier. (Opinion given names, regalia, descriptions and dates, etc. is different, is not it?: Rolleyes

Here at the forum, really need something else: if there is doubt - it must be accompanied by arguments. (Do not want vstrevat in any debate about the examination of the pictures on the monitor, but sometimes even the plot can yell "I'm a fake!", Although similar manner ... not there, as well?: Shy - >

If there are arguments, then this is enough. And then - at everyone's head . This is exactly the case when easily separated cleaner Aunt Masha from the Committee of Rembrandt - they have different reasons for the findings.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Allena

If there are arguments, then this is enough. And then - at everyone's head. This is exactly the case when easily separated cleaner Aunt Masha from the Committee of Rembrandt - they have different reasons for the findings.

You can write, for example, because: What is N? This is a crude forgery, not having anything close to the works of N!
But I ask you, You are precious, no, I just beg you, do not swing here acts examinations, they are, if you have them and there is this fake, such as counterfeit.
And with a feeling of pride of accomplishment to retire, pursed lips.
Let then rembrantovsky committee as a whole proves poddlinost.
Spoons in the morning there, but the sediment remains.

[AlexanderG]

Voprosy atributsii, podlinnosti ne prosty i ne odnoznachny. Na moi vzgliad etot razdel syroi, ne do kontsa produmannyi. A Kirill prav, osadok ostanetsia.

Bolee togo, beznakazannost 'i izlishniaia svoboda podobnyh vyskazyvanii porozdaet sleduiuschuiu volnu. I tak do beskonechnosti.

[SAH]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A Kirill prav

Absolutely right in this matter.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

osadok ostanetsia.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

This is a crude forgery, not having anything close to the works of N!
But I ask you, You are precious, no, I just beg you, do not swing here acts examinations, they are, if you have them and there is this fake, such as counterfeit.

Which of these statements contains an argument? In my opinion, no. And if someone wants to pull your lips and leave, izrekshi something similar, on health (by the way, are fraught with pursed lips wrinkles )

I was just about the futility of such a shaking voduha and say: there is doubt - if you like to argue, do not want to argue - you can pull your lips and silently

Kirill correctly noted that such "views" in our forum there. Of course, the problem of "sediment will remain" a place, but self-respecting people and talking anything like that does not allow. But it is important to hear their point of view. This, I may say, "opinion", in my opinion, is one step from the banal to the tram rudeness, to which no sane person pays any attention.
Of course, we are all fine people of psychic organization "But the mind also must be present.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Allena

I was just about the futility of such a shaking voduha and say: there is doubt - if you like to argue, do not want to argue - you can pull your lips and silently

Bylo by zamechatel'no, tak net ze ...

[Сима]

AlexanderG, yes, of course, it would be great. You are just one example for Lay collated, show as an example. All you will be grateful, and will be in the taste.

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от Sima

AlexanderG, yes, of course, it would be great. You are just one example for Lay collated, show as an example. All you will be grateful, and will be in the taste.

I do not know whether I understood what are we going to do. But let's try an example. Here's a picture. Here is a description.

Attributed Mayorov Tamm (1946-1991). "City Square". Paper, mixed technique. 23h43. Signed lower right and a monogram on the left below.
Alexander, you have the floor.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Vivien

I do not know whether I understood what are we going to do. But let's try an example. Here's a picture. That description.

Vy absoliutno pravil'no poniali.

Attributed

Kliuchevoe slovo: "Pripisyvaetsia", esli by auktsioner byl uveren v podlinnosti dannoi raboty, eto slovo ne vozniklo by v opisanii. Kartina, esli est 'interes v pokupke i investirovanii, podlezit dal'neishemu issledovaniiu i attributsii.

Mozno zadat 'vopros: pripisyvaetsia kem?

Mayorov Tamm (1946-1991). "City Square". Paper, mixed technique. 23h43. Signed lower right and a monogram on the left below.
Alexander, you have the floor.

Monogramma - kartina ne podpisana, a "initialed", te mozet prinadlezat 'dannomu avtoru, esli est' standarytnye obraztsy initsialov dlia podobnogo utverzdeniia.

Bez dal'neishego issledovaniia - gruppa riska. Slovom "pripisyvaetsia" auktsion, prakticheski, snimaet s sebia otvetstvennost 'za podlinnost' dannoi raboty.

Vozvrat deneg auktsionom, v sluchae problem, mozet osparivat'sia v sude.
Kto vuigraet - sporno.

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Reshenie voprosa o podlinnosti perelozeno na pokupatelia.

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Perechital i reshil dobavit ', nazvat' etu kartinu fal'shivoi nel'zia, tk nikto ne utverzdaet, chto ona podlinnaia.

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Medlenno vhozu v azart! Davaite sleduiuschee

[Вивьен]

Great! I also liked - the main thing to start. That's me as an example the first thing on Gelos. Now we're going in this thread to discuss what to whom is attributed

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That such an option, a little complicated. Also taking the first-encountered at auction the year before last. This is just an example, the request to the owners of the work and the auction does not take the discussion of this painting at his own expense.
Here's a picture. Here is a description. Need your advice. Buy?
Kuznetsov (?) Nikolai (1850-1929) - painter, portraitist and landscape painter. Boats in the bay. 1900. Watercolor on paper. 20,5 x29, 5 cm