Poland insists on the return of the paintings from the Pushkin Museum of Fine

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

We just have all the rights, and thus the prospects to return the stolen during the Great Patriotic War.

I very much doubt that Russia's party list is legally sound art treasures removed during the occupation. If there has been talk, in general, and more about the destroyed monuments. When they forget that funds the major museums of the RSFSR were evacuated and looted the church itself, and private collections not bylo.Poetomu and poke "Amber Room
  "Everywhere, as the most important argument.
The most affected museums and archives in Ukraine. What evacuated by the Germans and others from the Ukraine few people are interested in Moscow. But evacuees values and relics still not returned to its rightful owner. Or they too have ranked as the spoils of war?

[eva777]

I answer all at once!
In exceeding: start such looting during the war, I mean the cultural values with Napoleon. For that he was a disgrace! Before him, nobody had no idea that one can take away from the country's art.
How, Ghent Altarpiece, for example.
Secondly: Antonov's fundamental point of view, which she has never changed, that does not give up, let them rot, but we have. I respect a principle, but I see no sense in it.
Thirdly: how many artifacts were killed in inept hands, it is better to shut up, I mean, what were taken with a soldier.
  Fourth: As a result of our policy of no return, expect that we will come back as a surprise.
And I am always surprised by this hysteria about restitution!
I wonder where it come from? Our! We will not surrender our gains!
Although, in fact, it was a robbery. And not even ordinary citizens, and museums, which sosttavleny from private collections, why is ours? Museums have been created not during the Nazis, but much earlier, and decent people, for the development of its people, so the value of looted belonged to the people, not the Nazis.
If it took a collection of Goering, Hitler, etc., which really created the method of plunder of the Jews, here and argue it would be strange, but they must also be returned to former owners or their relatives.
The fact is that most muzeeschikov position is the same as that Antonova, and this is nothing surprising in this type of thinking among museum workers.
And the fact that all our museums are expropriated from the collections, what we have forgotten.

[Jasmin]

If you dig, the majority of museums in Europe consists of trophies or expropriated works. (Thanks to Napoleon - was the first). About the repository of the Swiss Bank - keep silent, it is not a museum. Although there are "held" not only the Jewish gold teeth, but something potsennee ... But no one needs to back ... and not even ... because ... : eek:
Another large part of the museum property located in Europe, I should like to behold live, and every day ...

[eva777]

Сообщение от Jasmin

most of the museums of Europe consists of a trophy or expropriated works.

It's true, but before they began to plunder, the monarchs themselves passed on their collections for the formation of museums. Catherine II received just that, if no mistake about it

[Pavel]

Сообщение от eva777

answer all at once!
In exceeding: start such looting during the war, I mean the cultural values with Napoleon. For that he was a disgrace! Before him, nobody had no idea that one can take away from the country's art.
How, Ghent Altarpiece, for example.
Secondly: Antonov's fundamental point of view, which she has never changed, that does not give up, let them rot, but we have. I respect a principle, but I see no sense in it.
Thirdly: how many artifacts were killed in inept hands, it is better to shut up, I mean, what were taken with a soldier.
  Fourth: As a result of our policy of no return, expect that we will come back as a surprise.
And I am always surprised by this hysteria about restitution!
I wonder where it come from? Our! We will not surrender our gains!
Although, in fact, it was a robbery. And not even ordinary citizens, and museums, which sosttavleny from private collections, why is ours? Museums have been created not during the Nazis, but much earlier, and decent people, for the development of its people, so the value of looted belonged to the people, not the Nazis.
If it took a collection of Goering, Hitler, etc., which really created the method of plunder of the Jews, here and argue it would be strange, but they must also be returned to former owners or their relatives.
The fact is that most muzeeschikov position is the same as that Antonova, and this is nothing surprising in this type of thinking among museum workers.
And the fact that all of our museums are expropriated from the collections, what we have forgotten.

In addition to the Jews and the more valuable paintings are in museums of the USSR in the occupied territories. They are fascists and looted and their collection of Jews in Germany were taken or hidden. Fools do not.
As far as I know that Eva became a Polish city after he was released Soviet troops and handed over to the Poles? Then what about?
Hey, conscience, conscience!
Eve and you have lost nothing personally at that time?
Looting began at the time Gelgamesha, and values and relics in the cathedrals of Europe plundered in Byzantium.
Robbed and Solomon, if he was, and David in particular, by the way he betrayed his country many times and served the same finistimlyan. Just at the end grabbed more than anyone and his started to respect me.
To say that the occupied and nearly conquered the country by putting 20 mil its worthiest citizens, and saved the ervropu from destruction and misrepresented the number of European Jews robbing the aggressor? We can speak only about the restoration of justice Eve or you against?

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Сообщение от Pavel

As far as I know that Eva became a Polish city after he was released Soviet troops and handed over to the Poles? Then what about?
Hey, conscience, conscience!

Read again carefully ... "If the date of exportation of pictures - September 24, 1945 - will be established reliably, the Polish side will insist that the boxes went to Moscow from the reconstructed Potsdamer Conference and Soviet-Polish treaty state, ie independent and Polish anti-fascist. "
Now yasno.Rech is that robbed the rights osvoboditeley.Pit had less and take away to Potsdama.A however, that few people cared then, no worries and seychas.Glavny argument was and still is - with bulging eyes, shouting "ALL WE MUST FEMALES "Well, of course about the conscience ...

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Pavel

its collection of Jews in Germany were taken or hidden. Fools is not.

That is just the thing that is not hidden, did not have time ... Until the end did not believe that they will do so ... civilized nation, the cultural European country ...
And if you do not know, do not say, but his anger away stuff the cable, and it radiates from you ...

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

And of course about the conscience ...

So poked about conscience, about which they have no idea ...

[eva777]

Сообщение от Pavel

To say that the occupied and nearly conquered the country by putting 20 mil its worthiest citizens, and saved the ervropu from destruction and misrepresented the number of European Jews robbing the aggressor? We can speak only about the restoration of justice Eve or you are against?

Excuse me, but what is justice, in your understanding?

Сообщение от Pavel

Eve and you have lost nothing personally at that time?

I thank God, at that time lived.

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

The invaders smashed and burned down the historical and cultural layers in the west of Russia "the mainland" as they say archaeologists. Now there remains a city without a past. They are from the past were the old names and the history book without a real environment. It could not be. Of the 1418 days of war on our territory, it was raging 1000 days, and on the German held for 100 days.

That's especially pathetic! You history on one side only learn? With patriotic?
And, incidentally, the Soviet Air Force bombed Europe no less fierce, so that there was unlucky Europe from both sides.

[Ухтомский]

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I had to drink less and take away to Potsdam.

VYACHESLAV, do not forget. You write about the liberators of Europe from fascism, our common ancestors. Or in person your ancestors did not fight with the Nazis? But even in this case you have no right so to write!

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Anyway, this little anyone cared then, no worries and seychas.Glavny argument was and is - with bulging eyes scream "ALL WE HAVE, FEMALES" Well, of course about conscience ...

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I wonder why the Russians would not raise such questions.

VYACHESLAV, you are contradicting themselves.

[uriart]

Сообщение от eva777

And by the way, the Soviet Air Force bombed Europe no less fierce, so that there was unlucky Europe with two sides.

And the Allies are not bombed?
Only the Soviet?
They bombed, and how!