The artist in the art market - the criteria for participation

[манна]

Сообщение от IV; 1952221"

Cyril, some generally accepted authoritative community (if it is, of course, is in Russia) opinion on this is available? For a specific definition, as in medicine, for example?

I -V. he said to you, read carefully Forum > >

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...&postcount=233

Modern art - it is also a system rather rigid rules of etiquette, it is unclear from the side. For example: the artist himself does not have to sell their work, to show it should be written in the text of a famous critic, and even better philosopher or politician, should work intellectually, but in any case not in an emotional manner, the product should be "critical" or " provocative "nature, which would under this or understand; success - a success only in certain international institutions, a list which will delight the professional and not say anything to the uninitiated, wider audience interest does not mean anything at all, etc. If the author of these rules does not know what he looks like "naive". Sometimes he can be glorified in that capacity.

All of the former Soviet art in which so prized painting from nature, emotion, imagination, paint, love the wide audience (all that with today's "corporate" point of view slightly indecent), can be considered naive in this sense, though today it exists already in other forms, often in the form of "individual private enterprise."

We read and we can conclude: Lozhkin not a party to the art market, but only ECP (individual entrepreneur).

[Seriy]

Manna, it is not Cyril's text editor and OpenSpeys - a preface to my notes.
And I 'm not sure that everyone feels that irony, which lays the editor in the text , referring to the absence of " modern art" features such as - " the emotions , imagination, paint , and love a wide audience." They are replaced by some institutions is colorless and odorless .
Actually , this text explains why contemporary art is lifeless and bloodless - " interest wider audience does not mean anything ."
I understand this text as a funeral for the Contemporary .
And I must pay tribute to the courage Editor - Iksigon does not fit into any section OpenSpeysa , so the editor has created a new section and there Iksigona placed .

[artcol]

Сообщение от manna

I -V. You said it , carefully read the Forum <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - 6 ~ ~ ->
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...&postcount=233
We read and we conclude : Lozhkin not a party to the art market , but only ECP ( self-employed individual ).

Dealer - Member of the art market . And the buyer . And the artist - it can not be a member of the art market. That is, market - a trade, and the artist - the manufacturer .

[манна]

Сообщение от Seriy

manna, it is not Cyril's text editor and OpenSpeys - a preface to my notes

I realized ...
> link to the post even put in

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Сообщение от artcol

Seller - member of the art market.
And the buyer.
And the artist - he can not be a member of the art market.
That is,
market - a trade, and the artist - the manufacturer.

and if the artist is 2 to 1 and the manufacturer and prodaets obtain ECP.

[artcol]

Сообщение от manna

2 in 1 artist and producer and prodaets obtain ECP .

ECP , a family in a row , the father hears colors , and I sell , flown - in a hurry, buy paintings, and Th is the picture you like ashes sprinkled , some dull , I'd grease here and they have played , let him - fix immediately buyers will fly , buy everything >

And so - yes, ECP . Fine crafts . Size is proportional to the talent.

[Seriy]

Сообщение от manna

I -V. but only ECP (individual entrepreneur ).

The quoted text refers you to the artists who go against the tide of Don Quixote, who believe in high ideals of art.
It says that these artists create a whole different world, not in contact with weary Narzanov spiritless world " institutions ," and in this world has its own life , its own criteria for success or failure. They have become ECP - going through the obstacles .
It 's all written cleverly and subtly , maybe even a little bitter. On Iksigone nobody has better not write .

Title: " Diary of a loner into the abyss of the art market " is also not mine, is the name coined by the editor. Good, and again with bitterness.

[iside]

Сообщение от artcol; 1956141"

Seller - member of the art market . And the buyer . And the artist - he can not be a member of the art market. That is, market - a trade , and the artist - the manufacturer

Hurrah . Finally, someone is wrote. Good Valera. I knew if I write this , I'm never forgive >
In fact , the artist in some exceptional cases may still be a member of the art market , it happens only when it becomes so great a figure that becomes a need and desire at all levels of art marketa among the top of its representatives. Examples of well-known : Murakami, Koons, Hirst, Cattelan , etc.

[I-V]

Сообщение от artcol; 1956141"

Seller - member of the art market. And the buyer . And the artist - it can not be a member of the art market. That is, market - a trade, and the artist - the manufacturer .

I also really liked the idea - put in it a clear separation .
But here's what Wikipedia says ( quote , despite the divisiveness of this resource ):

The market - a system of economic relations that arise on the basis of stable economic relations the producers of goods and services and consumers.
Subjects of the market are the the owners of the goods, producers of services, the owners money. What's of the market - material goods , the factors of production, resources , products and services about which market actors interact in the market economy .
Forms of organization of the market are the market , shop , auction , etc.

However, he will correct himself : if we assume that labor is an artist - a factor of production , that is, of course - the object , not the subject of the market. Hooray ! )) Artist ( creator) - not the subject and the object of the market !)) Brilliant , in my opinion . Artkol , thank you!

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%FB%ED%EE%EA

[iside]

Сообщение от IV

But here's what Wikipedia says

IV, the art market - is the most unusual market, and Vicki is a description for conventional markets.

[I-V]

Сообщение от manna ; 1956191"

and if the artist is 2 to 1 and the manufacturer and prodaets obtain ECP .

And according to a market participant will be only as a seller .

This is a simple idea , but I long to her, " arrives " (thanks everyone! )). It took time to share in the mind of the artist's "creator" and " seller."

I'm afraid to go back to Lozhkin , but Cyril (and other friends ), when you refused to call it a " market participant ", you , as I understand now, saw it primarily as a seller? Why, then, one of the criteria for you to become characteristic of his work ? >

Lozhkin - only an example. I think we can simply write AL ( or N) in the future