December 11, 1699, Peter I founded St. Andrew's flag as the official flag of Russia

[Fed]

From the Brockhaus and Efron: The best expert on the history of the Polish time, William, A. Yablonovskii, believes that half of the XVII century, "name" Y. "embraced a ... south-east. Part nyn. Province of Podolia, a significant part of Kiev, unless south-western part of Chernihiv, Poltava all provinces and much of Ekaterinoslav and Kherson.

By the middle of the XVII century. administratively divided into two U. province - Kiev and Bratslav. In 1654 William joined with Moscow. By agreement Andrusovo 1667 left bank remained in Moscow, William, right bank - to Poland. Since that time, the Left Bank U. common name is Little Russia. On the left bank of the Dnieper Ukraine officially named only William Slobodskaya, ie, present-day Kharkiv province. On the right side of the Dnieper the name of William survived over all lands, who formed the first of Kiev and Bratslav province and remain in the possession of Poland until its fall.

Annexed territory was present Chernihiv and Poltava provinces. And now under the MA in official spheres understand sometimes just the two provinces.

Based on the general map of Ukraine G.Boplana in the XVIII century. German cartographer Johann Baptist Homann, (1664-1724) published in 1716 map "Ukrania quae et Terra Cosaccorum" (Ukraine-Cossack land and the neighboring provinces of Wallachia, Moldavia, Little Tartary).

Note the map of Ukraine in 1658, Figure 2
Or its basis-Typus generalis Ukrainae-1649 - Figure 3


Map - source

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Сообщение от Fed

tricolor symbolizes the time-sole anti-people government, the seizure of Economics and Finance foreigners losing the war and the people's hatred and corruption.

Similarly, if you're about Yeltsin's time!
Only the economy was captured by oligarchs!

[Fed]

Emoticons have not noticed , so seriously ...

What kind of changes you can tell if the Russians simply do not read newspapers , not to mention the statistics.
Do you think - if the beer is called " Three Bears ", it is three times the Russian ? 90%of the beer industry belongs to Western corporations .

But your leaders say - that 70%of the economy owned by foreigners .

External borrowing enterprises are equivalent foreign currency reserves .

Yes , the promotion gives its fruits.
 Put a satellite dish.

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Fed, so you call all the sources without guile ) Dubbed as the most authoritative German (known expert on large and small tartar ) Homann , specify the time as " the best expert on the history of Polish time W. , A. Yablonovskii " prozyvatsya Aleksander Walerian Jabłonowski. Something to hide? Few people went to the former wild field, and , subsequently , left and right banks of merry gentry ? Or people are accustomed to the whip ? Do not upset me ( In this context , why a satellite dish ?)))

[Fed]

From all the neighbors of the current and got sunk, so the "love" part of the population can not condemn.

The main thing is that this is happening.
History suggests possible directions for simple.

[artist]

There are wonderful , but, sozhazheniyu , obscene vanity wisdom about "In the wrong hands ...", however, it is about , sotvetstvuet , well , innocent of thought :" What we do not store , lost - crying ... "
Alas, you do not want to see a common danger ( although it themselves , unconsciously , formulated ), and how to cope with it alone - God knows ...

[Fed]

I decided to find out why - Russian naval flag repeats the Scots with flowers "on the contrary ." Was easy : Jacob Bruce is one of the most important and well-educated companions of Peter Scot was a noble family .

But the main finding was not in it , and the definition of this flag of Russia .
Russia has positioned itself as a successor of the Russian Empire , which was confirmed in the emblem , the eagle has the third where the imperial crown.

Therefore, the national flag of Russia on the right it should be the first national flag of the Russian Empire : " The flag , a black eagle in a yellow field , Thou emblem of the Russian Empire , with three crowns , two and one royal Imperialskuyu , in whose breasts Saint George and the Dragon . ."

Peter had used one as standard, then these colors have been confirmed at the coronation of Elizabeth and entered in the form of a banner in the official insignia of power.

Therefore, the black double-headed eagle with 3 crowns on a gold background is the real flag of Russia, as successor to the Empire - flag glory and successes, rather than the current heir , defeats and misfortunes.

[Fed]

Сообщение от Fed

black double-headed eagle with 3 crowns on a gold background is the real flag of Russia

These colors have been recognized and the European countries.
Recently seen a map of the early 17th century. - Russia (Muscovy) - dominant black coat only the two-headed eagle with 2 crowns, not imperial, on a gold background.

[Fed]

What is the true emblem of Russia?

Can I take a coat of the Holy Roman Empire? You can, if you want to live under someone else's coat of arms, collapsed state. Especially the one trying to recreate in the form of the EU.

Now it turns out that Russia has a flag, invented for the coronation of the last unhappy king, and a foreign-flag of the Holy Roman Empire collapsed.
Pick up such decadent characters together for the new country had to be able to.

If you wish to rely on history to create symbols of the state, it was logical to take the characters of the princes of Vladimir, who in the face of Yuri Dolgoruky, and stood at the origins of the Muscovite state.
In other words - the emblem, the Golden Lion on a red background. Flag-gold on a red background, which would be consistent with the oldest flags in the discussion of this topic before.

A current - it's just supposed decadence and fasten heraldic match.

I'm not talking about the extension of the same civil war: how to most people, educated in the ideals of others, to live under the symbols of the last dynasty.

It may last for a Russian to Russian symbols of statehood.

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Of course, you can refer themselves to the Hittites, Figure 1-Teshub with the double-headed eagle, which is an assistant and advisor to the god of thunder, amazes Illuyanku dragon.
"The story of Illuyanke fits into the widespread model of the cosmogonic myth of the murder of a dragon god (or hero) to release the water swallowed them or people. This is typical of eastern mythology storyline battle with the dragon, constituting an integral part of the cosmogony, or have already established order of protection from the forces of primordial chaos. "

Or the Mongol-Tatars (vassals Janibek) Figure 2 - Coin Golden Horde.

But I think for the Russian self-determination, it is better to associate with some easy to understand the historical Russian counterpart. And not with strange symbols of the two-heads gone into oblivion the eastern nations and empires.

And here's a conspiracy version: the old Jewish cemetery in the 16th century. Ukraine has a tombstone Levite Fig.3, where the two-headed eagle is the symbol of supreme power of the Creator. "The appeal to different sides of the head means two qualities of the Creator, through which he controls the universe: the Court and Mercy, Severity, and Love."

Fig.4-painting in the synagogue-headed eagle.

That's just many of the "very Russian" will be surprised that they live under the symbol of the Jewish synagogue.

Summary: I'm not a fan of the autocratic state symbols. The new country needed a new, life-affirming characters or their relationship.

But if you want to cling to the old - it is logical to use the symbolism of his first Russian princes, the Golden Lion. and a flag on a red-gold.

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In any event, no matter where they came heraldic symbols of the current coat of arms, wildly enough to live under the emblem of the German Kaiser.
After all the wars.

[Fed]

Of course, can be attributed to the Hittites themselves, Fig.1-Teshub double-headed eagle, which is a helper and advisor god of thunder, striking the dragon Illuyanku.
"The story of Illuyanke fits into general pattern of the cosmogonic myth of killing the dragon god (or hero) to release the water swallowed them or people. This is characteristic of Eastern mythology storyline battle with the dragon, as an integral part of cosmogony or protect already established order of the original forces of chaos. "

Or Mongol-Tatars (vassals Janibek) Figure 2 - Gold coin horde.

But I think for the Russian identity is better associated with some historical easily understandable Russian counterpart. And not with the strange two-headed characters gone into oblivion Eastern nations and empires.

And here conspirological version: the old Jewish cemetery of the 16th century. Ukraine has a tombstone Levite Fig.3-where two-headed eagle, the symbol of the supreme power of the Creator. "Appeal to the different sides of the head are two qualities of the Creator means by which it controls the universe: judgment and mercy, severity, and Love."

Fig.4-painted in the synagogue-headed eagle.

-So many "strong Russian" surprised that they live under the symbol of the Jewish Synagogue.

Summary: I'm not a fan of the autocratic state symbols. New country needs new, life-affirming characters or their relationship.

But if you want to cling to the old - it is logical to use the symbolism of Russian princes, his first Golden Lion. and a flag with a red-gold.