Abstract forever

[DSF]

Originally Posted by Art-lover

If I understand correctly, you believe that an artist in the "scientists" are important studies are practically applicable conclusions, regardless of the methodology for their preparation and their theoretical interpretation.

Yes, you understood me correctly. The artist first and foremost practitioner. Theory and methodology - a prerogative of scientists. The task of the artist's true expression to what scientists call "archetypes" with very specific things: lines, spots, tsvetoform. Before an artist space blank canvas and paint. Simply put, he must decide what paint to get and how to put it on the corresponding place. (As the old German masters: "The painting is easy. You just have to take the proper paint and put it in the appropriate place.") And none of the speculative theory, even if they are true a hundred times, this will not help. Practice tells me that between drawing and painting there is no difference, except for material and size. This difference does not matter. Just as there is no difference between the fresco and easel painting. No matter what size and what kind of material - the artistic principles are the same. To achieve harmony and expressiveness used the same techniques.
Therefore, your words very true:

Originally Posted by Art-lover

In fact, many practitioners in the art, well, without costing speculative constructs. All the "dynamic force model" and so on. - More zamorochki spectators, eager to pick up the master key to the understanding of creativity is very, very dissimilar artists: good thoughts theorists often helps the viewer to not less than avtokommentarii artists.

Of course, the theorist is useful and needed an artist, primarily because it's very nice when you explain why you're such a great and unique visionary <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Florensky writes beautifully, no words, but I'm reading these texts, always remember the words of Renoir: "Painting - this is not any there dreams ... Right, the artists see themselves as exceptional beings, imagine that, putting the blue paint instead of black, they change the world. " Not upside down ...
I look forward to the next post.

[SAH]

Originally Posted by Art-lover

theory, according to Ingardenu, may raise the problem of creating a synthetic high integrity, but is unable to solve it. And therefore, could not provide a wizard like what he saw. The achievement of this wholeness - akin to a miracle; express the richness of the content of a masterpiece in conceptual form and can not:

Here the key point, of course we are talking about such a thing as a secret. The concept-word that is often referred to as the Old and New Testament. The word "mystery" or "mystery" as a term in the Scriptures of the Old Testament denotes the fish or providential act of God. This "secret" was called by God to His prophets: "the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His secret unto His servants the prophets" (Am 3. 7). "Daniel answered the king [Nebuchadnezzar], and said: The secret which the king hath demanded can not open the king, nor wise, nor charmer, nor magicians, nor soothsayers. But there is a God in heaven, unlocking the secrets" ( Dan 2. 27-28). In my view, a true artist - an enlightened person, the person who opens a secret.

[GalARTA]

Dear Thread, I thank you for opening the theoretical debate on contemporary art studies relating to abstract art. I'm glad that in January and February on the forum came at once 3 themes related to different aspects of abstractionism - experiment - practical issue (for my plein air in Kamenetz), on the validity of abstract art v2011 year (Isis on specific works of art and neiskusstva) and now your - a global issue, where you can discuss various aspects of this phenomenon (finally and before Freud arrived, it was time)))
Thanks again. With pleasure I will read it.

[Лариска]

But I like classical painting.
I do not understand abstract art ...

[Art-lover]

Originally Posted by Lariska

But I like classical painting . I do not understand abstract ...

How sweet and gentle - to limit the expression of their feelings and not to build a personal rejection of the cross for raspinaniya unknown object.
And so it is seldom that I want to say " mur ."

I do not understand abstract art ...
 
If something can quite understand that it is anything but art) )

[iside]

Comrade Art-lover got lost somewhere , but I hope to read my comment .

First, nearly two weeks ago ended exhibition at the New York MoMA Inventing Abstraction, 1910-1925 and I would really like to know the opinion of her distinguished author of this topic , secondly , today I came across the following article critical of Roger Denson Abstraction: MoMA's Inventing Abstraction Show Denies Its Ancient Global Origins [/URL], a reference to that , I would like to post in this thread (sorry for translation of the article I do not have time, but it is quite reasonable written in English )

[K-Maler]

Originally Posted by iside; 2576281 "

link to that , I would like to post in this thread (sorry for translation of the article I do not have time, but it is quite reasonable written in English )
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As I understand it , the author outlined the ancient origins of images, which we call abstract and believe that they have only emotional message . Meanwhile, in ancient times , they ( such images ) represent a code understood by all meaning.

[Магнолия]

Originally Posted by K-Maler; 2576311 "

As I understand it , the author outlined the ancient origins of images, which we call abstract and believe that they have only emotional message . Meanwhile, in ancient times , they ( such images ) were all some code to understand the meaning .

K-Maler, is quite true. It is named Svetlana Burlyak icon which should gradually move into the intellect . ( to our last discussion )

[GalARTA]

Originally Posted by Magnolia ; 2583931 "

It is named Svetlana Burlyak icon which should gradually move into the intellect

Do you really think that the emergence and development of abstract art was associated with increased intelligence and intelligent search of his generation ? or icons and the transition to the intellect - just a metaphor ?

[Магнолия]

Originally Posted by GalARTA; 2585041 "

Do you really think that the emergence and development of abstract art was associated with increased intelligence and intelligent search of his generation ? or icons and the transition to the intellect - just a metaphor ?

There are two topics.
1. Time to show and tell about a hundred times shown different words for rooting illustrated concepts. This is a change from the icon to the intellect. ( not a metaphor )
2 . Lacan ( in psychology ) , Marr ( in linguistics ) , artist ( in abstractionism )=tongue-tied . That is touched , it is difficult to catch expressed by thought. Over time the idea will gain a theoretical form , understood phrases , clear images.