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Old 28-11-2010, 00:52 Original language: Russian        #31
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Funny to read, right!


Now the world is so much trash, and with really high quality (sorry for the oxymoron) that discuss the artistic merits of a collage of a bum - it is beyond
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It's funny to read, right!
And best of all the laughs last ... Imagine not a moment (and if?) That these works (and that is the product) have the "investment potential"?
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discuss the artistic merits of collages some bum - this is beyond
(Italics mine) and why it is so arrogant, derogatory? Petty-bourgeois "class opposition"?
And then, nonconformists (at the time), too, in fact there were "some sort of" wipers. Fireman. watchmen .. etc. .. (and also cost a little ..)



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Old 28-11-2010, 01:42 Original language: Russian        #33
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[B]And best of all the laughs last ...
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And then, nonconformists (at the time), too, in fact there were "some sort of" wipers. Fireman. watchmen .. etc. .. (And too little cost ..)
You really decide who they were - the artists or
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Old 28-11-2010, 01:50 Original language: Russian        #34
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Oops!
(SorriSorriSorri!)

it's probably "not small" - a rejection KRUPNOburzhuaznoe

I beg your pardon.
-Did not want to hurt ...
 
About the "janitors, watchmen, stokers", read for yourself.
(Do not count them for hard work) ..
Been written mnooogo ..



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After the collage shown in the trash that Jon and the same collage, but decorated on the wall in the gallery - things are different. No?
I noticed that on the wall in the gallery all automatically converted into art.
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Yes, and I'm glad for the uncle, the cute guy that much, even enjoying life at the expense of the rich bourgeoisie of eccentrics. Huh?
I am also pleased and liked the work. There is in them something so unconventional.
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... I can only Parajanov - they are so ostroindividualny that even you can not compare with the Romanian ... .. Paradjanov creates things that do not have any points of intersection with the Dadaists and constructivists ....
fabosch, are you talking about?
I'm someone with someone compare? ... Paradjanov with constructivists? ... Romanian collages with Parajanov? ...
re-read, please, once again my message
 
I am that you are his sentence ( "Nothing new since the German Dadaists and the Russian Constructivists" ) - I hope, just its incorrectness - shallows of many who are not one of them, but was and is after them ,
including your Mitki of THG:
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What is wrong with that? Christmas Tale (... then heard the bells ) that happened in reality.

Collectors, investors (oh, calves unreasonable ..) let themselves think, to invest a lot of money,
but if someone else, and just like - why not?
The magic of large numbers - so again, why were not glad, if someone has "gone"?

But first of all be glad for this romance, a particular person, concrete life , by chance lifted from the bottom.
Glasha, but I am happy! Rejoice! And now the bells I hear it! But still I hear the bells ... That ring alarm tocsin of the processes that occur in the modern world. I'm talking about the situation that prevailed at the moment in art and artbiznese. It's no secret that artbiznes and art influence each other so that they are parts of a whole. A feature of the present situation (we must recognize that any period of human history is unique) is just due to the fact that the component of this whole, called artbiznesom, has at its disposal a tremendous tool. Namely, the media, by which you can build representations of large numbers of people to get the desired result. This leads to the fact that as a result of exalted minor or even not at all related to art events, emasculated the significance of the art itself. The only possibility to resist this at least at the individual level - the thought processes to continually define what is art and what is not. This, in general, and is engaged in artsoobschestvo.

With regard to exactly these collages, then all would be nothing. But insofar as they started the process of identification, it is necessary to determine their place in the context of art. This process is not running by me, and I'm not alone participate in it. My opinion - it's just my opinion. But I'm still trying to understand how valuable these works, apart from the hard life of the Hungarian homeless and political Labuda. You see, if only for the fact that the price mentioned in these collages, gives us the right to think, but there is some more valuable works of art that we could get over the same money? Agree, this is not an idle question. And a very specific question. Here you are, for example, could take responsibility and to recommend purchase of these collages in a museum of modern art? I would ask you to answer not just "yes" or "no", but also to justify your point of view, why do you think these collages have value? That is in them such that they should become part of a collection of art?



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Tiutchev, we have again, in fact, dispute about tastes.
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My opinion - it's just my opinion.
But I express my ...

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if only the fact that the price mentioned in these collages, gives us the right to think, but there is some more valuable works of art that we could get over the same money?!
Of course, there is! Sure.
Pricing issues on artrynke often for me to remain a mystery.

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Here you are, for example, could take responsibility and to recommend purchase of these collages in a museum of modern art? I would ask you to answer not just "yes" or "no "....
Not at all. Nepravomoschna. In such instance.
In private collection - completely.

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... and justify your point of view, why do you think these collages have value?
(just a word "must" I do not like ..., and "have value" is also very loud - I find interesting, so accurate)
and why:

- Some of this has already sounded a theme: liveliness, spontaneity, emotional, social and temporal context;
 
- Partly, they remind me Blumenfeld (Erwin Blumenfeld, 1897 - 1969), which was a wonderful photographer and make collages, expensive sold in the west.
His work is seen alive at FIAC 2009, and almost every standing red dots.
(Again, I understand the difference, but there is a roll call, citing the time and so on.;
and plagiarism /secondary also will not speak, because unlikely Romanian homeless could know about Blumenfeld, creating in America)

a few photos of works by Erwin Blumenfeld: something to show that something has taken from the internet - has his catalog, but again, not with me, not even in Russia.
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Good collages, "stylish".
And the photo, by the way, too, especially the last



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lusyvoronova reminded here about Nikifor, and he, too, was virtually homeless and
laughed at him as over chudokom, holy fool.



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