"Classical Painting Collection" auction at the gallery "Euro-Art"

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Сообщение от Magnolia ; 2099931"

It's easy! There is a picture, Bob and Nick . Bob puts on an auction for 100 . Nick bought for 105 and puts in 125. Bob buys a 150 ( laundered 50) and exhibits a 200. Nick buys a 225 ( laundered 225 - 105 = 120 )

Bob , buying a picture Kolya , he launders . Yeah? Money is also a picture of Nick gets.
So ?
And these , Coley received money - laundered ?
And what actions are now applied , for example, this particular auction Kiev "Classical Painting Collection " Gallery "Euro -Art" ?

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran ; 2099961"

So ?
And these , Coley received money - laundered ?
And what actions are now applied , for example, this particular auction Kiev "Classical Painting Collection " Gallery "Euro -Art "?

Helps to erase each other. A laundry area can be of any auction. Dirty money bringing in wheelbarrows !

[Игорь Гурьев]

Well, at auction , Comrade . Magnolia , you can just wash well, sooo dirty money.

Suppose there is some shady character X that has money in the offshore .
He buys a couple of dollars tysch any deliberate falsification , and puts up for auction.

When selling things at auction , he "buys " it takes money and auktsinnomu home. The house takes a 20 per cent from the seller , the buyer 20 , the remaining 60 percent translates to Mr. X .

Of these 60 percent , Mr. X will pay something in taxes.

As a result, the total losses amount to a transfer of about half the amount .

This is acceptable if the money is very dirty.
Well, very, very much.

And so ... Yes, probably easier to bribe tax - for a smaller percentage .

Then what about your fantastic version.
Sense to work with pictures in a miserable 40-50-60 tysch dollars to them, probably not.

And if you buy a lemon, well, I would be very suspicious .

I think the washing takes place in other ways , and many of them are well known .

[Дед Мороз]

You just do not know how to cook them.
(C) <- 8 ~ ~ ->

[uriart]

Guriev, Igor, well, on the "product" to put this auction, certainly does not wash off!

Rather izmazhutsya more.

[Liza]

For the fourth time I've seen those. expertise in the painting "Burliuk" issued HTe "Art Lab" in all 4 cases, issued on counterfeits Burliuk. What are they investigating? What is the conclusion of issue? A study of the data are entered into the database laboratory. Or do not enter? <! - 6 ~ ~ -> $

With regard to the lot number 50, Burliuk
The fourth time I write <! - 6 ~ ~ -> "The conclusions of expert engineers are not the nature of attribution, ie, not determine the origin to this or that master expertized picture, and show that the resulting objective process data or do not contradict the modern concept of the technological specifics of time or, conversely, are contrary to them "- information from the site" Art Lab "
   The operation of Burliuk (as input data), referred to in this thread, was dated mid-20th century (and this dating is unquestionable, and is an objective fact that can be confirmed in any research laboratory, as in the CIS and abroad). In addition, I can tell that when you create this work were used paint manufacturer Lefranc, in contrast to the traditional art Burliuk Gamblin and Winsor & Newton. Please also compare these data with the fact that the painting depicted in the bay of Positano, and that in 1949 Burliuks 8 months traveling through Europe.
Having an arsenal of about 100 works of authorship Burliuk possible (for input data) from various sources, we have issued all the data in the form of the report "Technological features Burliuk painting of the second half of the twentieth century", which was presented at 17 scientific conference on the examination and attribution (with abstracts can be Anyone familiar), aroused great interest, including among the leading art experts and the CIS - while the dating of the works, no one has caused objections /doubts. I do not think that someone on this forum of knowledge in the field of technological expertise can be above the knowledge of Mr. Kosolapov or Mr. Grönberg, so to judge the work done by the Art Lab and the conclusions drawn on the basis of technological expertise is logical to those skilled in the this area.
P.S. By the way, about the doubts of the authenticity of papers presented at the Sotheby's auction Krisis and - if necessary they order technological expertise in the laboratory of Dr. Nicholas Eastaugh in London (to clarify /confirm dates), which is the usual practice of any normal auction houses.
PS2 I was asked to reply to this thread, just on the forum I read mostly Marsh million - I now close this topic.

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Сообщение от Liza; 2100761"

With an arsenal of about 100 works of authorship possible Burliuk (for input data) from various sources, we have issued all the data in the form of the report "Technological features Burliuk painting of the second half of the twentieth century" , which was presented at 17 scientific conference on the examination and attribution (with abstracts can be read anyone), aroused great interest, including among the leading art experts and the CIS - while the dating of the works, no one has caused objections /doubts. I do not think that someone on this forum of knowledge in the field of technological expertise can be above the knowledge of Mr. Kosolapov or Mr. Grönberg, so to judge the work done by the Art Lab and the conclusions drawn on the basis of technological expertise is logical to those skilled in the this area.

Here too you have, Liza, shamed - so to shame! As said Paul P. Bal'zaminova: "And if anyone zavazhnichaet very vozmechtaet about myself, and suddenly he is shot down force - is" and with a and e "is called." You got a stern "asazhe." Worthy. Sorry - unconvincing. So, to reason, if you do not mind.
"With an arsenal of about 100 works of possible of authorship Burliuk (for input data) from various sources ..."
Dear Liza, you do, we realized that you wrote? "Attribution Limits" - what is this? A "input data" - is what? (In other words: the work entered the study with the authorship №? Or work entered the study with the signature №?) Standards, but ... Reinforced concrete, indisputable ...
"... aroused great interest , including among the leading experts and critics of the CIS - while the dating of the works, no one has caused objections /doubts."
So stand the sight of an enthusiastic crowd, "the leading experts of the CIS," striving for the podium in the frantic hope of finding at last, what is this feature of the oil-based paints company Lefranc differs from that of the same artistic oil paints company Winsor & Newton. And having learned to immediately start and at the museum date Burliuk. (And then, you know, so much has been written in recent years - know, have time to date!)
Now, let's briefly, thirty seconds, let us consider the argument "did not cause any doubts /objections." Doubt - matter thin, delicate and ephemeral. More recently, some have not the mythical, and in actually lead TG dating expert nth number of "Sarian" and "Roerich," too, no doubt, no objection to not cause ... (And let me tell you a secret: still does not. And does quite the contrary: one is a profound belief). And - what? We assume all these things are written the day before the true? Well, if not cause, then?
 On more than doubtful authorship Burliuk is written by someone with enthusiasm and creativity serzno dealing with this wizard. And every time is absolutely true and rightly confirming their own opinion. Have the wisdom to listen (as is already done from several auctions in order to avoid public troubles).
"I do not think that someone on this forum of knowledge in the field of technological expertise can be above the knowledge of Mr. Kosolapov or Mr. Grönberg, so to judge the work done by the Art Lab and the conclusions drawn on the basis of technological expertise logical specialists in this area ".
Ohti me mladeshenke! Yes it really to disprove the authenticity of the monstrous, somehow slyapannogo half years ago, "Kharlamov," to whom it would require the conclusion of MOST Mr. Grönberg? Yes NO in my life! It is enough to look at the real graphics Alexei, in the handles to hold it ... You try, you just love it.
(For details, see samples of authentic graphics Kharlamov You can fund the Tretyakov Gallery, Russian Museum, Saratov Art Museum. Radishcheva Sevastopol Museum. Kroshitskogo, Far Eastern Art Museum, Serpukhov Museum of Art, in the collections of the Pushkin House etc, etc).
Whereupon - let me leave.

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Сообщение от etranger; 2099811"

sitting around a gentleman who calls himself an art critic , and writes for the hourly rate for certificates of paintings, which he had never seen , and also in store for those who do not yet written.

The protagonist of " Key " Tinto Brass - a middle-aged professor of art - in his spare time, attacks insane jealousy went to antique shops , and confirmed everything ... I plyakal ...

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от Liza; 2100761"

Please also compare these data with the fact that the painting depicted in the bay of Positano, and that in 1949 Burliuks 8 months traveling through Europe.

For his creative life Burliuk created no less than 18,000 pictures. that is, approximately, one picture a day. While in Europe, 8 months, Burliuk should create about 240 pictures. And in each new country, new colors ...
Italian, French, Spanish. Nonsense for suckers.

Burliuk almost did not write from real life, except on Long Island. Virtually all written in his studio. And what have the trip to Europe? Carry over a 240 paintings with fresh oil paint? Try, Liza, for a week with a shabby svezhenapisannym oil. Everything and everyone will be in oil.
Your paint Lefranc only indicate the fact that all these "oak" with a fake one and the same collection of Kiev, manufactured in Europe. They differ in their quality of American counterfeiting. All these examinations were ordered, along with reviews of "art" to make of them a public exhibition, and then pour into the people honestly, that is already happening now with the help of Kiev auctions. Enough to climb over the network and discover all that has been described about this show-parody.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от dabbler ; 2099521"

If any of the supposed author of a work has no basis in the Art Lab ' and, in any museums in Kiev , then the experts managed to go out. Is it possible to handle the timing drove the stock stuff ?

Solely for the information , without reference to the discussion in Kiev is a collector Burliuk and wish to have something to compare .

For example : http://olesya333.livejournal.com/80231.html

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw

in Kiev is a collector Burliuk and wish to have something to compare.


For example: http://olesya333.livejournal.com/80231.html

As I understand it, at least two, according to this link:

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