Single feature ranking

[DSF]

Сообщение от Tiutchev

.. Artist of the first third of XX century Nikolai Krymov was initially positioned with a rating of "1", and shortly before the out-Raisonné catalog of his works, he suddenly dropped to "2". How could this happen?

Well it's hard to understand? There were serious guys, Picasso, and Tiepolo, and moved Krymova
.
Dear Olga Ozolin, the list of artists at http://painters.artunion.ru/index.htm actual data or is it 10 years ago? Now look at random nine names that I know of artists. 3 of them are dead, you are registered as living, 3 do not have a wrong date of birth listed. Do not think for chutzpah, but I think it would be better to focus not on the tabs are hung, and the collection of objective information. This would have been much more useful and people would say thank you because as long as your work is only a smile.
By the way, I'm on your classification - the artist category "A" "Only me in your rating is not, and I do not think it will.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от DSF

Well it's hard to understand? There were serious guys, Picasso, and Tiepolo, and moved Krymova
.
Dear Olga Ozolin, the list of artists at http://painters.artunion.ru/index.htm actual data or is it 10 years ago? Now look at random nine names that I know of artists. 3 of them are dead, you are registered as living, 3 do not have a wrong date of birth listed. Do not think for chutzpah, but I think it would be better to focus not on the tabs are hung, and the collection of objective information. This would have been much more useful and people would say thank you because as long as your work is only a smile.
By the way, I'm on your classification - the artist category "A" "Only me in your rating is not, and I do not think it will.

Specifically, please list those in EXP alive, but in real life is dead! It is very important! The most difficult thing for any reference - keep track of the date of death, if it is not "the titans". And so must focus on all the time. Itself is sometimes hard to believe: over 50,000 artists EXP

That someone is our activity - all people are different, someone much more powerful and negative emotions than grin "So thank you though, that does not threaten to murder (and it happens, just hard frighten us: mad .

Want to EXP - you can send materials:
http://rating.artunion.ru/faq.htm
And you do not want - what you like, but sooner or later, if you expose your work and in the catalogs, then the focus of attention will get the RC. According to our estimates, only now, Russia has from 5 to 10 thousand. artists were not included in
EXP.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

we heard from Margarita Hook, so that the authorship of the joke belongs to her)))

Speaking about its severity, I do not meant the word "shit", as is clear from your explanation of the origin jokes.
The artist's son, I think, a priori can not name another artist that word.
Just that it occurred, then wrote, without any ulterior motives.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от dedulya37

Speaking about its severity, I do not meant the word "shit", as is clear from the explanation of the origin of your jokes.
The artist's son, I think, a priori can not name another artist that word.
Just that it occurred, then wrote, without any ulterior motives.

As a child, heard the anecdote:
Stalin:
- Comrade Zhukov, how many days you need at the Berlin operation?
- 10 days, Comrade Stalin.
- I give you 3 days. You may go.
Beetles out of the cabinet and in the hearts says:
- As I'm sick of this bastard with a mustache!
Beria was heard, reported to Stalin that Zhukov said. Stalin raises Zhukov:
- T. Zhukov, who you had in mind when speaking about the bastard with a mustache?
- Of course, Hitler!
- Thank you, you can go. T. Beria, and who you have in mind?

So we're all under the letter "G" had in mind, of course, a genius!
 

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Hello, dear colleagues!
In this forum, frequently asked questions about the directory, "One Art rating:
http://rating.artunion.ru/index.htm

I think that would be helpful if I will participate in the forum and to the best of their abilities and rights (a very limited <!--~ 2 "-"), executive secretary of the Rating center of trade unions of artists will answer your questions.

Surely you have and suggestions on the ratings of artists. I undertake to transmit to destination in the rating area with necessary comments.

The only request: to clothe and supply issues in a civilized form "But I thought that rudeness on this forum is not <!--~ There is 1 ~ ->

Here are some basic options:
Guidelines for determining the rating:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ1.htm
Archived:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ4.htm
The new project "International art rating:
http://rating.artunion.ru/international.htm
Internet project "10000 best artists in the world" (based on the ratings):
http://painters.artunion.ru/best.htm

Explain on what basis your company takes it upon themselves to put the artists on this or that place? Who are you? Why the West is no such reytengov? Well for starters enough.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от "Pavel

Who are you?

Paul has already said, the union of artists ... you are in it consist of?

Сообщение от "Olga Ozolina

Rating Centre for Trade Union of Artists

[Ольга Озолина]

All the questions "Who are you", "Why do rating," Who authorized the hang tags?
asked at the beginning of the existence of EXP repeatedly, and in them I can hardly answer better than the classics of our art history - A. Cantor

http://rating.artunion.ru/article11.htm
 
and V. Martynov

http://rating.artunion.ru/article12.htm


A list of members of the RC here:

http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ2.htm

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

All of the questions "Who are you", "Why do rating," Who authorized the hang tags? asked at the beginning of the existence of EXP repeatedly, and in them I can hardly answer better than the classics of our art history - A. Cantor
http://rating.artunion.ru/article11.htm
 and V. Martynov
http://rating.artunion.ru/article12.htm

A list of members of the RC here:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ2.htm

All clear. Really can not answer you.
The matter is more serious than you think. If you have a union, then the rankings of your members. You usurped completely unreasonable to judge the work of artists who are you too lazy to even learn. It is fraught with claims of honor and dignity of pecuniary damage and then you will not get off vulgar jokes.

In the west there are long-directories Acuna and Mayer in which fixed the price of works by artists at various auctions, and on this basis, conclusions about the most expensive artists and all. This is sufficient because an unknown artist yet today tomorrow may be very talented and therefore expensive. Examples are too numerous, Utrillo and Soutine, etc. This is the right approach.
You arrogated the right to determine the value of art, and therefore commanding qualities which do not have. None of you and your rating is a way to parasitize on the artist, earning the sale of books does not even fit into the toilet. You are criminals.

[Ольга Озолина]

Why the West is no such ratings? Interesting question, and a lot of opinions expressed. Personally, I think they simply do not need expert ratings, they have the exact ratings (sales, it was mostly recorded). And another reason may be that home: they do not have such a sharp polarization of the art market and public taste, as we have.

Tell the history of Pro Rating artists (at least today) thought everything, and even much earlier than a union of artists. But everything depended on that: how to combine in a single rating, for example, Kabakov and Shilov, or Rabin and Glazunov? The polarization of this in the late 90s was perhaps even more than now. And the sick - that's for sure. Now seems to be used anymore, but then still lived illusion

As a result, there have been attempts compilation "corporate" ratings (Gelman Gallery, "C-Art," still a lot of people), but the overall rating does not threaten anybody.

Yes, and it was hard to wipe - everyone understood that you have to consider the tens of thousands of artists. With all its consequences in the form of thousands of disgruntled "So here was initially need some kind of effective system that works great and then not been in vain.

Then ZAGRAEVSKY came up (he said he dreamed at night ), the main idea EXP - Categories A and B. And once all the polarization has its place. Of course, there were many "intermediate" artists, even the proposed category of "AB", but then gradually everything will somehow was settled. Over the years, some trends are identified.

This is all just Russian specificity, in the West such complexity to anything. Right now we have done MHR.
http://rating.artunion.ru/international.htm
Let's see, what will the reaction of the West. East, as you know, a delicate matter, and the West - not less

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Сообщение от Pavel

All clear. Really can not answer you.
The matter is more serious than you think. If you have a union, then the rankings of your members. You usurped completely unreasonable to judge the work of artists who are you too lazy to even learn. It is fraught with claims of honor and dignity of pecuniary damage and then you will not get off vulgar jokes.
...
You arrogated the right to determine the value of art, and therefore commanding qualities which do not have. None of you and your rating is a way to parasitize on the artist, earning the sale of books does not even fit into the toilet. You are criminals.

About the West, I just did not have time to answer you, see my post above.

The rest. Did someone hurt the honor and dignity of the name of the rating categories? "The prevailing professional artist, with creativity," etc.? And what else can touch here? That Repin in the 1st category, you are in 4th or 5th? Well, you become as famous, and you will be in the 1st

Here ssylochku read there here on what words pay attention to:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ1.htm

The inclusion of the artist's unique artistic rating at the discretion of the Rating center as a community of art historians and art critics with the right to free expression of independent judgments about the artists and works of art (items 1, 4 and 5, Art. 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).
Because information on the basis of which is the definition of ranking artists, is not confidential (its sources identified in paragraph 7), for inclusion in a single feature does not require a personal rating of the application, consent or notification to artists, their heirs or managers (Article 1, Article . 41, n. 1, Art. 47 of the Russian Federation "On Mass Media").

And recall that exp - a registered media, with all its consequences in the form of free speech.

R.S. Also draws your attention that the culprit anyone can be called only after the entry into force of the criminal court. So it's not whether you are an artist, we might have to file for your claim for defamation.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Why the West is no such "ratings"? Interesting question, and a lot of opinions expressed. Personally, I think they simply do not need expert ratings, they have the exact ratings (sales, it was mostly recorded). And another reason may be that home: they do not have such a sharp polarization of the art market and public taste, as we have.

Tell the history of Pro Rating artists (at least today) thought everything, and even much earlier than a union of artists. But everything depended on that: how to combine in a single rating, for example, Kabakov and Shilov, or Rabin and Glazunov? The polarization of this in the late 90s was perhaps even more than now. And the sick - that's for sure. Now seems to be used anymore, but then still lived illusion

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As a result, there have been attempts compilation "corporate" ratings (Gelman Gallery, "C-Art," still a lot of people), but the overall rating does not threaten anybody.

Yes, and it was hard to wipe - everyone understood that you have to consider the tens of thousands of artists. With all its consequences in the form of thousands of disgruntled "So here was initially need some kind of effective system that works great and then not been in vain.

Then ZAGRAEVSKY came up (he said he dreamed at night ), the main idea EXP - Categories A and B. And once all the polarization has its place. Of course, there were many "intermediate" artists, even the proposed category of "AB", but then gradually everything will somehow was settled. Over the years, some trends are identified.

This is all just Russian specificity, in the West such complexity to anything. Right now we have done MHR.
http://rating.artunion.ru/international.htm
Let's see, what will the reaction of the West. East, as you know, a delicate matter, and the West - not less

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About the West, I just did not have time to answer you, see my post above.

The rest. Did someone hurt the honor and dignity of the name of the rating categories? "The prevailing professional artist, with creativity," etc.? And what else can touch here? That Repin in the 1st category, you are in 4th or 5th? Well, you become as famous, and you will be in the 1st

Here ssylochku read there here on what words pay attention to:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ1.htm



And recall that exp - a registered media, with all its consequences in the form of free speech.

R.S. Also draws your attention that the culprit anyone can be called only after the entry into force of the criminal court. So it's not whether you are an artist, we might have to file for your claim for defamation.

You are terribly frightened me. "I told you explained the reason the West is not such ratings. There rankings are not necessary as we do. Enough price. there Akun. You instead to arrange the sale artists arrange the sale of your books which by the way base their choice and the impact they have on sale, but are often mislead buyers. I've seen your writing in Gelos and there to nimu taken seriously, but it is fraught with fraud, because your rating is from the lantern. I did not ask for example, and I'm not your member, and generally you take the money else included in the rating, it means the money can give any rating.
By the way a professional artist is an artist who earns painting and the quality is not withdrawn. More than in France, it is equivalent to the highest category of painters.
 Attitude to Repin differently, many believe his academic painter not very well received new developments and so it is quite routine and literary. Therefore it is necessary and correct to proceed from the actual price and not on your personal opinion.