The price of pre-revolutionary author bronze

[Nikolay Ivanovich]

[Nikolay Ivanovich]

Tried.

[Gekomed]

Сообщение от Nikolay Ivanovich

Conclusion. Out of Russia Tretyakovs.

Maybe everything is simpler, and the work really is so much interest as you would like?
I'm certainly no expert on bronze, but here at vskidku have several options:
1. But what if this same Redkin decided to try his hand at work of his predecessors, nothing good came of it at that, he calmed down?
2. I'm not as expert on bronze is not clear so many references to the word "work of authorship" ... What do you mean? The fact that she signed? Since most of the works before last - the beginning of last century signed. And even many modern. Or the fact that work is the author? So after all, is the author of any work ...
3. Here you have mentioned several times, "Tretyakov, 40 years of collecting, could muster only 9 figurine. You are always looking for a complex explanation? You yourself do not think it strange? Go in any more or less decent antique shop, and you will see how many bronze statuettes. And believe me, they gathered them are not 40 years ... But perhaps easier and Tretyakov they simply did not try to collect? Just a small spin-off collection?
4. Here you almost every his post linking to museums and their experts. So perhaps for you it would be open, but not all of the exhibits are masterpieces. Yes, there are even copies of a large number of missing. Although this is a different story. So what that in Gatchina is the same statuette? Your really guarantees its uniqueness? I can say on his theme, if you visit the museum exhibiting antique weapons, among other things, and certainly rarity, you will see there a lot of very mediocre and ordinary objects. If what I am not talking only about "Regional Art Museum, but the Petersburg Artillery Museum (if you know what I mean), and even on the Armoury Funds ... But what concerns "can be accepted as a gift," so any "regional museum" would be pleased to virtually any antique knick a gift. But this does not mean that it immediately becomes a nail exposure, because the concept of funds and reservists no one has canceled ... Otherwise, why do you think everyone is more or less experienced dealer seek to make as many acquaintances among such distinguished experts you ? And why do you think work for starvation wages of curators and experts are so many museums have always wanted? But this is again another sad story ...
And finally, I see that you are a person meticulous, thorough, but so "blindly" and often repeating the magic "experts", spend part of your enthusiasm to the sites where the people selling antiques. Take a look at some items and expert opinions of those notorious "experts"! If what we are talking about experts such museums as the GIM, VMDPNI etc. AND you can personally verify that paraphrase the famous saying, "and the expert is make mistakes" ... And, alas, but may be museums in the former Soviet Union and would like to hire a truly asses their ranks, but that's just more really good professionals prefer to work in auction houses so large antique shops, with the appropriate salary.

In a word nothing personal as the saying goes, just thinking out loud. As for the price of your masterpiece, if you do not like the views of local guru or respected people in other specialized sites, set it up for auction. Only in my auction can determine the true value of antiques ...

[uriart]

Gekomed,
I remember that figure five years ago even. He tried to sell it for quite a fantastic price, some five-digit.
On my answers people reacted very poorly, I would say, even skandaalno.
Since the whole "blame the fact that everyone wants to buy his masterpiece for nothing.
I realized that in this case, a man Diagnosis, and ceased all correspondence.
After all sites and Internet forums, he came to this forum and continued to offer his masterpiece.
Unfortunately all of your arguments are not likely to be interpreted adequately.
How much would you will not convince every argument!

[Gekomed]

Сообщение от uriart

Unfortunately all your arguments are not likely to be interpreted adequately.
How much would you will not convince every argument!

Yes, I read the topic understood that man for himself already all decided, despite the fact he was right or not. I just see how many people read this topic and considered it necessary to express their views, not only personally topikstartera (because it could be done privately), but also for everyone else. I'll run on this recently, while many others have already veteran. And the more I liked this resource, it is that no matter what people here are trying to help and not afraid to express their opinion. At many other sites, unfortunately this is almost no part of people trying to grab decent things, "the quiet" through lichku, while others have simply not responded to requests for help beginners. And from the side does not respond precisely because of these now known to be convinced of the rightness of his questioners, which is not possible to somehow convince them something to prove. I really hope that this resource is not degraded to such a level. For all of us in some areas of newcomers and we all need some sort of help and some advice. And if we ourselves do not we help each other, where we look for this help?
P.S. Sorry for oftop ...

[Nikolay Ivanovich]

First would like to thank Gekomed, for his informed opinion.
Now, in order.
Gekomed wrote
1. But what if this same Redkin decided to try his hand at work of his predecessors, nothing good came of it at that, he calmed down?

Maybe so, but I think that if nothing good came of it then it will not be displayed in the museum. Probably all the same that it happened. And that something turned out to be what you experience, what is the previous work. Or do you think that without experience, without the prior works, you can try to paint a picture, try to mold a statue and take it directly to a solid museum? Try.

2. I'm not as expert on bronze is not clear so many references to the word "work of authorship" ... What do you mean? The fact that she signed? Since most of the works before last - the beginning of last century signed. And even many modern. Or the fact that work is the author? So after all, is the author of any work ...

I mean, that there are many copies, it is not a copy. I mean that it is original made by the author. I mean that the there are plenty of works of authorship of the second, third, fourth fill, which were made as the disappearance of the original first filling.

3. Here you have mentioned several times, "Tretyakov, 40 years of collecting, could muster only 9 figurine. You are always looking for a complex explanation? You yourself do not think it strange? Go in any more or less decent antique shop, and you will see how many bronze statuettes. And believe me, they gathered them are not 40 years ... But perhaps easier and Tretyakov they simply did not try to collect? Just a small spin-off collection?

 Visited in the Regional Museum of Art. Total 3-4 statuettes. After that came into the store "Antique" - dozens of statuettes. And the alleged original. Not a single scratch. All Patina. The price of up to 60 000 D. That doubt that in 70 years, the replenishment of the museum assembled a small number of statuettes (though honestly say that their zagashniki not looked), but for a short time from the opening of the store, dozens of them. Maybe Tretyakov simply not collected all of them?

4. Here you almost every his post linking to museums and their experts. So perhaps for you it would be open, but not all of the exhibits are masterpieces. Yes, there are even copies of a large number of missing. So what that in Gatchina is the same statuette? Your really guarantees its uniqueness? I can say on his theme, if you visit the museum exhibiting antique weapons, among other things, and certainly rarity, you will see there is quite a lot of mediocre and ordinary subjects.

My opinion. When museums put up a copy, it means that the originals have practically disappeared. You miss the point of rarity of the work. Either the thing is made in one or two copies, whether in the thousands. My statue is known in 2 copies.

Gekomed wrote
In short nothing personal as they say, just thinking out loud. As for the price of your masterpiece, if you do not like the views of local guru or respected people in other specialized sites, set it up for auction. Only in my auction can determine the true value of antiques ...

But the views of local guru does not suit me. Just look
Post 4
Good Russian bronze small 300-3000d.
Post 5
Accept money for Redkina (I hear about this author, to be honest, the first time) may be no more than 2-3t.u.e. (Subject to authenticity).
     
A copy of the manufacturer of such figurines in a single copy will cost about $ 3000. You're a sensible man. Do you really think that a copy of the original and a century may cost the same price?
 As for "Only in my auction can determine the true value of antiques ..." let me disagree with you. Mistress whispered oligarch "I want a little thing" and he is ready to buy at any price. Is that true value? Ten people want one little thing. Curl one another price. What is the true price, which she paid ten winning bidder or a person who bought the same little thing at another auction at the lowest price due to the fact that there were nine competitors? Often things get at the auctions are not professionals, and money bags. And you think the price proposed by the money-bags real?

Regarding your words "if you do not accept the views of local guru or respected people."
Here's an example uriart. And the title he is the Guru. A look at his posts in this topic.
post 3
Perhaps you are with her betrothed for ever!
And you were not separated!
Post 9
In this case, the person (owner) diagnosis:
syndrome is one thing
The words are not mine, a friend galeristka idea.
Post 11
If you are for so many years, sales did not understand what this means, then no one will help you understand!
Post 24
I realized that in this case, a man DIAGNOSIS

After all, a man not a word said on the subject. On the other hand dials the number of messages in these ways. Note that he is trying to insult different words. And I pity for you that do not know me, you are in the post 25 quoting him, agree with his opinion. Not katites you in this swamp, do not be like him. Of course I would like to ssylochki a scene where I, where appointed six figures prices, and he is white and fluffy, but do not want to make mischief about squabbling.
By the way the prices can be found here http://www.ko.ru/pr_doc.php?pr_no=22019

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Nikolay Ivanovich

For a man not a word said on the subject.

Why uriart, in repeating what is already five years said at the various sites and forums?

Сообщение от uriart

I remember that figure five years ago even.
After all sites and Internet forums, he came to this forum and continued to offer his masterpiece.

Сообщение от Nikolay Ivanovich

On the other hand dials the number of messages in these ways.

Revolve, this party is, "the number of messages", do not need.
This is a very experienced and the dealer, and collector, I would advise you to listen to his words. Your things he is not interested, so hours of his words are objective.
Perhaps they are not so agreeable to you as the owner of this figures, but that is just and understandable.

[Wladzislaw]

[mark4445]

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Nikolay Ivanovich

By the way the prices can be found here http://www.ko.ru/pr_doc.php?pr_no=22019

You gave a link to a press release old cabinet bronze portraits of heroes and contemporary sculpture exhibition at the Auction House "Kabinet».
There are many public relations of water-times; exhibition was in December of 2008, and two more for the actual figures refer to himself "Cabinet", remembering, however, that their selling prices differ from the procurement times so ... so you'll know:
http://www.kabinet-auktion.com/