The role of art dealer

[DSF]

Nadeius' otvetil na vash vopros.

Yes, thank you. I was so roughly imagined this case. Unfortunately, this situation is cut off from the market a lot of artists, at least in Russia. They are forced to work directly with the population, forming a kind of "alternative market". This market is large and completely invisible. Maybe a good thing?

[Art_Lyss]

DSF, etc.:
Exactly cuts. Regarding contemporary artists-art dealership in Russia. Sometimes there are attempts. Sometimes good. Well though, that there were professional gallery owners.
The market today, because "flowers in a pot went" cast-cry-because who then drove the party. And for all artists "to train the flowers ... BUT DEMAND Endemic NETU FACT! And sit at the trough all mothers to each other ...
In the past. Goebbels, the propaganda was just "ladies in white children and dogs" ... A quality-on drum. Main-line application on the subject. There were good things. And how konyukturschiny buried market and apartments, spoil the taste of people ... And without that art-illiterate.
Yes! dealer chooses "their" artists and promotes them. And do not sit as a woman in the CHA folded hands-rent repulsed, escheb cut a vengeance ...
Art dealer - is work. Ana easy zhist on interest and rental scam. This is a business, not fartsa.
Here, comrades.

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Yes, I might add ... One "type of patron, told me that working with the artist on ekskl. contract. I told him, ha, ha - the artist he violated 100 times ...
And rightly so. He needs to live. And since that "ala patron" dynamite and activity and prices omit artist sdedal spurt.
Here is the behavior of the type-dealer, based on the psychology of the bazaar to ruin our rudimentary art market.
Therefore, human DSF, the artists themselves become their manager and seek their collectors.
Yes, this is bad. Hampers creativity.
However, practically no other way.
Mosht-entot forum will gramulku in understanding between dealers and artists ...

[uriart]

Of course, the head of the creative person does not look up and do not understand what motivates him to create his works.
Look back.
How many artists have lived in prosperity and abundance?
Probably not.
And even then, becoming known and recognized artists, not all find inner peace and inner harmony. And the eternal search for creative and dissatisfaction with their creations gave birth to works of genius.
Many of today's artists, in the bulk, very pleased with himself. And, as a result of self-contentment working carelessly. Yes, they need to live and survive. And to feed the family. But before they had the same thing.
And survive, and the family fed. And create masterpieces!
It said simply Tchaikovsky PI - "Talent, it is hard work!", While for 44 days, created his masterpiece, the opera "The Queen of Spades.
Recommendations provide easy. Only needed if they are creative types?
They will go their own way.
Recall, our contemporary Anatoly Zverev (God keep his soul!). Was it easy for him to live in our country at that time?
But not writing hack. He wrote with enthusiasm!
The eternal theme, you can endlessly debate on this issue.

[iosif]

Сообщение от DSF

Support! Dear dealers tell us about yourself, it's interesting! For example, what you want from art? How to behave with you?

Since I am "brand new" art dealer, at first only listened "old times". But let me speak a little bit.

1. What I want from the artist?
- that I was greatly touched by his work (otherwise not be able to 10000 times equally sincerely admire to 10000 potential customers)
- That he was ready to exclusive work with me and that he was a decent (otherwise it makes no sense to invest money, time and soul into not your business)
- that he was looking and industrious, although this is usually linked (or otherwise get bored or have nothing to sell, or both together)
- that was smart (if even a decent, but not clever, it eventually kills the toad from a very different prices for buying and selling paintings. If you're an intelligent, it presents itself, at least in general , the cost of promoter and its risks, which also cost money).

2. What am I willing to give the artist?
- almost all his work, and often not working time and professional skills
- risky (for the promoter, not the artist) investing money
- is statistically high probability of future success, including - commercial.

3. What I'm not ready to give the artist?
- full guarantee of success, since this market, and I am one of the participants
- "retaliatory" exclusives

For each affected item can give some explanation, if anyone interested.

[Zenia]

In fact, talent art dealer is the same and the ability to admire the work of artists, and the ability to stay while in the shadows, not pushing myself, and art.

Yes, so if you think, so art-dealer network must pamyarniki place.

[kozhinart]

What I want from the dealer?
To - he clearly had his own position in life and in business and not to throw in different directions, as the phrase is now for sale is now fashionable to be ready to work as a partner on an equal footing in otosheniyah and to lower their demands in the pursuit of personal gain .
That he was honest, and decent, and arrange everything on the shore. "Have you ever tried to keep to yourself enslaving conditions.
-that was clever (even if decent, but not clever, it eventually kills the toad from the fact that an artist paints a picture 2 o'clock as it gets for 1500 euro and the size of its 30x40 but if clever, it presents itself, although be in general production costs cathine, there is a good example from the history of Titian, when the customer was outraged at the cost of his painting written just a week the size of a few meters, to which the maestro has noticed, but a week. plus a whole life!, maintenance workshop and education its risks, which also cost money).

And in conclusion I want to say that success depends on the behavior of both partners, their understanding: shy:

[iosif]

Сообщение от kozhinart

What I want from the dealer?
To - he clearly had his position in life and in business and not to throw in different directions, as the phrase is now for sale is now fashionable: shy:

I totally agree. I give advice to their artists, if they ask me about it.

"That he was honest, and decent, and arrange everything" on the bank ".

Again, agree 100%.

"That he was willing to work as a partner on equal terms in otosheniyah and do not lower their demands in the pursuit of personal gain".

Here is unclear. This is subjective. The stated problem does not exist, unless, of course, the dealer does not come to an agreement with a soldering iron.
In other words, if the dealer claims seem excessive to you, simply do not sign a contract with him.

And then - which means "equal relations"? They initially unequal. You, the artist, who puts his talent, which the dealer does not. The dealer puts their skills, which are not an artist. The dealer is also investing their money, which too often is not an artist. And the risks they note, alone - the artist in any case receive a "promotion" (pardon the jargon), even if the dealer has not earned a dime.

"And in conclusion I want to say that success depends on the behavior of both partners, their understanding"

With this again absolutely agree.

Z.Y. In general, I think I am well aware of the artist. Because I am absolutely in his skin when it comes to my books. I am not able to distribute them without the publisher. So sign in his life very unattractive at first glance, the contract. How would you like to get 8 000 rub. very well-respected publishing house for the first novel that he wrote it all my life? Me as a business consultant, while many have paid for two hours.
But, annoy, and on reflection, came to the conclusion that I will get more than lose. Moreover, all the risk was them. A potential benefit - and mine too. And he did.

[artcol]

Again, some confusion with the terminology. Art dealer - it's just a trader. He spit on the artist. The main thing - profit. Here it is likely the agent. The agent may act as a private person or organization.
The artist usually 2, the fundamental problems to be addressed e-agent:
1) to live on - financial stability, mat.podderzhka, money
2) For something to live for - moral support, access to the scene, the attention of the public history.
Everything else, in my opinion - trifles. Treaty, I think, in general, antithetical to the creative person. If you are more or less decide for the artist 2 shows the fundamental problem - everything will be fine. Artist's vanity is more expensive than an intermediary between him and the world. Whatever. A normal values the artist more creative freedom than any other.

[Zenia]

Сообщение от artcol

Treaty, I think, in general, antithetical to the creative person. If you are more or less decide for the artist 2 shows the fundamental problem - everything will be fine. Artist's vanity is more expensive than an intermediary between him and the world. Whatever. A normal values the artist more creative freedom than any other.

What is "normal artist?

I think neeichnym absence of a treaty ... as though in fact his forehead, and not only in the sale of paintings and the artist's name.
That should not artists put on a pedestal! They are human beings, too, want to eat, drink, odevatsya, like women and men, or all at once. Artists, like many people, good and different! And one would earn a thousand bucks, but I still cry poverty, to maintain immidzha "starving artist" and the other will zarabaryvat pennies, and those pennies to feed the family, and half of Moscow hipovskoy hangouts!
Recall now the case: many years ago it was. I organized an exhibition of two artists in the stacks in one gallery. Gallerey1iki ventured to put anyone unknown Russian. They themselves then also were in Denmark, but not in Copenhagen, and in Jutland. At the last moment to join this exhibition, the third artist .... already without mogego participation.
With one of these two then were still dismantling of interest, gallery owners .... THANK YOU and I said only one third that of the exhibition itself sit down. We must, I say that except that single thank you I did with this show has not received?

So do not .... sell the art was too troublesome, so that someone else takes for the money .... proschsche is the same for tomatoes to earn less headache.

Or am I not right?

[LCR]

Сообщение от Zenia

What is "normal artist?

I think neeichnym absence of a treaty ... as though in fact his forehead, and not only in the sale of paintings and the artist's name ./.../

With one of these two then were still dismantling of interest, gallery owners .... THANK YOU and I said only one third that of the exhibition itself sit down. We must, I say that except that single thank you I did with this show has not received?

So do not .... sell the art was too troublesome, so that someone else takes for the money .... proschsche is the same for tomatoes to earn less headache.

Or am I not right?

No, I think you are wrong.

With regard to contracts - before you talk about ethics, we must understand that these agreements completely ineffective, because very few people go out to sue and spend a few years of his life at all proceedings and delays. Therefore, contracts are concluded in this environment is quite rare.

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As for the sale of tomatoes, probably trade them better than the pictures, but pictures sell disproportionately more prestigious. A significant number of dealers and gallery owners are sensitive to this aspect of their profession.
Allow me to doubt that they work not for money - and nothing wrong with that, perfectly normal person to receive remuneration for their work.
Between artists and owners of galleries, dealers, agents almost never occurs dispute over fees, accept all of the game. It is only necessary that these were fair game on both sides, and it is not always the case.

One example from my personal experience. Several years ago I gave in one gallery 2 works, so that they put them on a fair "Art Moscow". I pointed out their prices, and then together we have defined its margins - it is very important, because pricing policies should be coherent.
For example, much work has cost 60 (10 of whom were fee) euros, while the smaller 30 (commission - 5).
Arriving at the fair, I was surprised to see that next to my work hangs the work of the same period of the same size as my youngest, and the price for it - $ 18! When I asked I was told that the work gave them for sale, its owner, and when I said that actually they do not have the right to exhibit the work of third parties at a price below - but even so! - My, I was told: "It is you (in the sense, in France), so do not do, but here it's normal."
Here, while I went valerian to drink, came a foreign lady, said she buys a "foreign" work, and went for the money. But as she stood in the Moscow traffic, today announced another customer, who laid out the funds and bought the work, and I do not know how they managed to do it, having dvuyu customers on a piece of work, but sold my dupes her to him for 15.
The lady returned with a sack, discovers that the painting had been sold, and said, okay, I take this (pointing at my job), but at the price of the * *! Logically, no?
A delshe began quite vaudeville. The lady was trying to pressure on me, so many representatives of the foreign community in Moscow now and then dragged me into the corners and explained how important it is that it was the work, etc. Then they brought me the good news: my clever offered her a picture of 20. I go to him on the stand, asking if this is true. To me, lowering her eyes, the answer was yes. I'm surprised that the painting was offered at a price that does not reach my minimum, not informed me about it. Tugging in the hands of the handkerchief, I say: "We would have told you." Of course, I say that I had to say before you make such a strange proposal. In general, the madhouse ...

I will not tell how this history has ended. She taught me a lot (but not all, alas), and in particular, it helped me understand that there are issues which the artist or assignee control simply can not.
And here is the most important question arises - on trust.

I want to add, I know absolutely charming and honest people selling art. I know, and artists who are in a dark alley is better to keep out - robbed! But overall, I think everyone will agree with me that this pair of the artist /gallerist force - on the side gallery owner, with very few exceptions the super-promoted artists (and even then, ask what happened for example with Sandra Kia, one of the most famous artists 80-90 years.).

Okay, something I had signed, it's time to stop. In conclusion, the story to you the true story that happened in Paris in the late 70's. Paris.

One of the recently arrived there by Russian artists decided to look for the gallery. He took the folder, put there their work, and drove to the quarter Saint-Germain, where then were concentrated Gallery of Modern Art. The case - or fatality - was the reason that the first gallery, in which he entered, was a very prestigious gallery Lebba, which traded mainly in the first half of the 20 th century. "What-oh? Living artist?? My Gallery?? Get out of here, sir!" - Exclaimed the old man Lebb when our hapless creator explained the reasons for his arrival.