Why different prices for examination?

[dedulya37]

ACG, let non-believers "are right" after the death of the direct heirs of the artist - the widow and children. Who besides them can say whether the work was kept in the family or not.
In the description of the catalog, right reason Falk said: "Most of the work on the dating and attribution of works, most of them at that time still preserved in the family of the artist, was carried out ... connoisseurs of art Falk - DV Sarabyanovym and A. V. Shchekin-Krotov . cataloguers significantly supplemented and clarified the movement of collections of paintings, the current location and participation in exhibitions. "
And further: "Many of the paintings reproduced provided with documentary commentary artist's widow AV Shchekin-Krotov.
So how do you think it is reasonable to attribute the artist's widow falshaki brush husband?

[qwerty]

dedulya37, I completely agree with ACG, always better to double-check. You can be 100%sure that the things taken from the artist's family, is not in doubt, but when your heirs want to sell them, they will have difficulty.
Angelina V. Shchekin-Krotov was very punctual woman, but it is rather rare occurrence in the families of artists. Much more common situation where the relatives are not interested in the artist's work, and, accordingly, it is not dealt with in his work. And quite often happens that the relatives completely sincere offer of work, found in the archives of the late artist, who in his work are irrelevant. So, be careful.

[LCR]

dedulya37

Actually, qwerty had already been exhaustively answered you, I would only add that, of course, no one will suspect a widow (or widower - although this alignment is much rarer) the artist in the tendency to ascribe the hand of her husband (wife - will be consistent in our political correctness) forgery.
Unfortunately, the opposite situation occurs frequently, for example, the successor Serge Polyakov - I do not remember, he was his son or nephew, are often denied poddinnost work that he brought for examination, for reasons that have nothing to do with art, and it is - is not the only sample.

[dedulya37]

qwerty,
LCR, "Angelina V. Shchekin-Krotov was very punctual woman, but it is rather rare occurrence in the families of artists"

Here is just such a "rare case" and "the opposite situation" can not occur in principle, because there are fires principle "fair play" and only too glad to find relatives still some unknown work of the artist. But, unfortunately, almost all of them known to the family, as well as accounting was conducted for many years, to students.
Here the level of research work such that you can do is catalog-reason, and including graphics.
And believe me, if half his life engaged in creative work of her father or husband, you can probably distinguish the fake from the original.
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[Евгений]

dedulya37, works can Stozharov VF-excellent, if the work on ebay is questionable, and you kin Stozharov, write your opinion, it is interesting to read.

[dedulya37]

Eugene, I am not for nothing did the link to the site "artlib" so you can compare the "handwriting" of the artist, not to mention the subject. You, as an art dealer, and even specializes in realism, much in the first place may have noticed that work on ebay is very different from the exposed site in the first place.
Secondly, the seller claims that the work is signed, but that is not visible.
Third, do not specify the material on which written work.
Fourthly, there is no title work, and the artist usually signed his work, sometimes simply called the place where the thing was done.
Fifth, what size of a picture (Etude)?
Sixthly, and this is the funniest thing that kind of work so that you have written 19 (!) Years? Yes, an artist and worked something actively in their short lives only 22 years!
Finally, seventh, if we give a brief background about the artist, one must not write something that he had heard, and what you definitely know, and English language at the seller's "lame", I think, LCR will understand what I mean.
General conclusion: the practice shows that the most faked artists-realists now it Plastov AA Nechitailo VK and Stozharau VF And the first attempt to make "similar", and the latter comes easier: take the first available job in the village theme, sign her name and Stozharov forward - for sale. But there have been cases where experts Tretyakov swallow this bait, and only relatives to determine authenticity.

[Сергеич]

dedulya37,

The general conclusion: the practice shows that the most faked artists-realists now it Plastov AA Nechitailo VK and Stozharau VF

Unexpectedly, I will not argue with me, statistics are no fakes.
But perhaps you have formed such an opinion, because you watch these artists?
And look after Aivazovsky - something also seen.

[Евгений]

dedulya37, If you are a relative of

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the artist, you have to organize all the material on the works Stozharov, exhibition catalogs, archives, monographs and t.d.Zanimatsya this professionally, but not on a case by case basis.
"The general conclusion: the practice shows that the most faked artists-realists now it Plastov AA Nechitailo VK Stozharau VF"
What is the basis that claim? (One of the questionable work is not an excuse.)
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Yes seams and Stozharau is the artist of various levels.

[LCR]

Сообщение от dedulya37

But there have been cases where experts Tretyakov swallow this bait, and only relatives to determine authenticity.

You know, dedulya,

I try no one is talking bad, but the attribution of modern painting in the Tretyakov Gallery, it's just funny - bring a picture, tell me what it is X or Y, and write.
In the last year in Moscow circulated potrtret, which was issued for the work of the artist, heiress of which I am (I also - "Family"), and it was not even a fake, a style she had absolutely nothing to do with the artist to whom it is attributed. Just from the back side was written the name of the artist (not a signature, namely the name).
The dealer who sold it, brought it to the State Tretyakov Gallery - and received the certificate! Fortunately, he showed it Silaeva, who wrote me and sent me a photograph of this work, he, like me, ruled out the possibility that this painting written by my cousin.

Eventually it was bought by a collector, "because it was inexpensive," that is thrown to the wind is not very much money, but now does not know what to do with it. That such cases.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Sergeyitch

But perhaps you have formed such an opinion, because you watch these artists?
And look after Aivazovsky - also something may search.

Sure! I would not say if he did not know.
For Aivazovsky do not want to follow, a good artist, but since he became popular in raspaltsovannyh circles, I felt sorry for Ivan Konstantinovich never know whose eye you'll be happy in the future.

Сообщение от Eugene

should organize all the material on the works Stozharov, exhibition catalogs, archives, monographs and t.d.Zanimatsya this professionally, but not from case to case.

Thanks for the tip, on the basis of the foregoing, I can not draw conclusions about fakes, all this is done and passed many years ago.

Сообщение от LCR

the style she had absolutely nothing to do with the artist, which she attributed. Just from the back side was written the name of the artist (not a signature, namely the name).
The dealer who sold it, brought it to the State Tretyakov Gallery - and received the certificate!

Absolutely agree with you about the attribution of the Tretyakov Gallery.
And exactly the same stories happen to me. They put no signature, and the name, at best, indicate "attributed to".
It comes to the ridiculous, the buyer brings to me the dealer who sold the bogus attribution to the Tretyakov Gallery, I say that work is nothing to do with the author not immeet, in response to the dealer claims that I, too, lying, as he would like more to sell. He is goofy, does not understand that we have different sources of pictures and I have a reliable attribution. By the way, now many experts involved in order to preserve their reputation, have to contact directly.

Сообщение от LCR

In the end it was bought by one collector, "because it was inexpensive," that is thrown to the wind is not very much money, but now does not know what to do with it.

  Unfortunately, I know of several people. Believe me, it was very difficult to tell them the truth, but the principle of "fair play", in my opinion, important.