A good artist - a successful artist?

[Meister]

who has more chances to reveal - the secured artist or the artist, who must constantly strive for? or is it solely a question of talent?

[Glasha]

I think if "equal talent" (hypothetically possible to prevent this) if necessary to the survival, of course, likely more. Still, determining here-the degree of talent.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Meister

who has more chances to reveal - the secured artist

We secured an order of magnitude more likely ..

[Meister]

Сообщение от Eugene

I secured an order of magnitude more chances ..

I think the opposite ... a person in a difficult situation, more inventive and had more active brain works ...

[Евгений]

Meister, It was a long time (19 century), now everything else in the art business.
You know it and understand. "Aliens do not go .."

[Glasha]

I think the truth is, as always, somewhere in the middle way: the artist should be "fed up" (so as not to faint under the weight of the brush /pencil, so that today or tomorrow, no one kicked out of the house /shop), but not had enough (in ideal conditions in all senses artist disappears) ...

[Meister]

Сообщение от Gala

(in ideal conditions in all senses artist disappears )...

what I had in mind ...

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Meister

Message from Gala
(in ideal conditions in all senses artist disappears) ...
what I had in mind ...

Dubious assertion .. far from reality.

[DSF]

Сообщение от Meister

but interestingly, if we imagine that the artist is provided from infancy that he would not have to think what to eat tomorrow, and for how much and to whom to sell their work, he can concentrate fully on their work and find out whether we have about him? Why should he sell something that, if he already has everything?

Here's the first thing that came to mind - Bosch: "In 1478 Bosch had married a rich patrician Aleida van Merverme, whose family belonged to the top of the urban aristocracy.'s Marriage to a rich patrician put him above the circle of respectable burghers, to which he belonged by birth. Life Bosch nebolshom flowed into his wife's estate near 's-Hertogenbosch, where the artist, procurement and independent of the orders could give vent to his rich imagination. "" On the material well-Bosch platimyh showed high amounts of tax specified in the surviving archival documents. similar situation and a Vermeer of Delft. He was also married to a wealthy aristocrat, lived in the manor, only wrote 2-3 pictures a year and gave them a token money to his friends - the baker and printmaker. The way he had 14 children.
Toulouse-Lautrec - also yes. Here's another - Manet. "Family of Man has an annual income of 25,000 francs, which allows you to take it to the typical middle class bourgeoisie." After his father's death in 1861 Edouard Manet received a total of 40 000 francs of capital, which enabled him to hire a manager and a stable income. By the way a worker's salary then was in Paris for about 2 francs per day.
But here is found. Renoir said, according to the recollections Vollara: "Imagine a Cezanne, if he did not have the rent and he would have to wait for customers!"

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от DSF

Note from Meister
but interestingly, if we imagine that the artist is provided from infancy that he would not have to think what to eat tomorrow, and for how much and to whom to sell their work, he can concentrate fully on their work and find out whether we are about it? Why should he sell something that, if he already has everything?

Сообщение от DSF

That's the first thing that came to mind - Bosch

Сообщение от DSF

Yes, that's still found. Renoir

Guys, you dig so deep?
Look at the work of Alexander Grits, son of Alexei Mikhailovich. Normally people lived, not poor, but not in luxury. And if not imminent death, we have all witnessed a superb artist. But he did before his death much has been written.