Russian or Italian?

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Сообщение от redbor

In general, no matter how to see - it is not Russian painting. European.

A "Last Days of Pompeii" is what the picture? Like any snub-nosed face not observed
... We are talking about? Who painted or someone painted?

[sergejnowo]

... We are talking about? Who painted or someone painted?

... fuel to the fire.
What do you think, and the artist whose will?

[redbor]

And this - whose?
Of course, it is difficult to argue, we must agree: if K Bryullov wrote "The Last Days of Pompeii", and Serov "Kidnapping of Europe",
then is the farmer in the import hat, which began, - poizvedenie Russian artist. Unfortunately, his name will never know.
Borovikovsky, Levitsky, Rokotov? Or Antropov?

[наследник]

Eriksson, such a "conciliatory" version - and not a copy if you have a good Russian artist to write?
  Although, of course, immediately question - "but with whom?"
And again we should start from the beginning ...

[SVGAllery]

Сообщение от Eriksson

Lord!
The doubts I am bombarded with ...
There nezvestnogo painting artist - oil on canvas, 47h40 see, the old frame and subframe, cracelures minor loss, otherwise condition is very decent. According to the seller, it is a Russian work of the mid-to late 18 th century.
And to me something of the Italian dreaming ...
What do you think, experts?

Is like no reaper or the peasant. In my opinion this is some great lady has commissioned the artist to represent it in the image reaper

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Сообщение от SVGAllery

In my opinion this is some great lady has commissioned the artist to represent it in the image reaper

    Well this, my friend, is already full mauvais ton. And by Russian standards, and foreign ...
  However, I do not remember ... Alba, Goya did not write it without the famous collar?

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от heir

Eriksson, such a "conciliatory" version - and not a copy if you have a good Russian artist to write?
  Although, of course, immediately question - "but with whom?"
And again we should start from the beginning ...

And it's true - copy, written in the same time as the original? It would be more than strange. On the copy does not appear.
At first, I jumped at the idea that it was vysskazana first Mister-y and Uriart[/B] - that this could be a reduced work Nef, and somewhere hanging is the same, only bigger (with pearl buttons "). But they had a view of another fabric. So I just misunderstood.
As for the large canvases and small author's copies, then
it is not strange that many artists of the 19 th century so. In my hands, for example, held a miniature Horace Vernet - a portrait of Napoleon, one in a single one that hangs in the British Museum ... (To this day his elbows to bite, which has sold!) By the way, Verne also worked in Russia for some time.
But this is probably not the case.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Eriksson

At first, I jumped at the idea that was first vysskazana Mister-y and Uriart[/B] - that this could be a reduced work Nef, ...

Nave, of course, a nice version, but then have to abandon the 18 th century.
You that is more valuable - n.H Italian 18 th century or n.h Russian 19-th?

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от redbor

Nave, of course, a nice version, but then have to abandon the 18 th century.
You more valuable - n.H Italian 18 th century or n.h Russian 19-th?

I truth is dearer. And the fact that this is not the 18 century, it was clear from the outset.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo

... We are talking about? Who painted or someone painted?

... fuel to the fire.
What do you think, as the artist whose will?

Carl Baumbach (1794-1860), from the Germans, we ...

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Eriksson

of the Germans, we ...

You go to the same places that I did.
It is completely unknown to the Germans, the work is dated 1834 year.
Technical mastery of the author of your work on the order of magnitude lower than that of this little-known German.
At your job, the lady on the left hand, pinky "disappeared". That's me to the fact that your work is, IMHO, the hands of the weak pro or a good lover. IMHO, not quite agree with Italy - though perhaps mistaken.
Just when the above into account in the logical reasoning about the Russian or not, strong Russian artists "Italians" could be deleted.