Scene V. Astaltseva

[diana-che]

Dear dealers! Sorry for having asked a harsh tone, giving this very reason some opponents do not appear in the gentlemen's form, and simply, to be rude to a stranger, who personally had not applied. Fact that it is the evaluation of the creative heritage of a particular artist's plucked from the context of art, small works are not the first series, shown on the above mentioned auctions. I hope you will agree that "Above the Eternal Peace" Levitan, for example, the work of an entirely different order than the preparatory sketch for the same master. And it should be quite different, regardless of the material and size. You appreciate art as the length of material in the store. Type, a large piece of silk better than a piece of calico a smaller size, but how and by whom it is shown - not the essence.
Besides, many of you are as prone to exaggeration and distortion, specific prices, I did not write. For mentally balanced members of correspondence, which, fortunately, too, have, to announce: I live and work in Europe, in Russia are rare, with local dealers (as it turned out, fortunately) do not communicate. Our gallery is not engaged in dealer sales. We have representatives in Russia, who agree on direct sales is the first of a number of artistic, creative individuality of the artist works directly with the owners. And we, in turn, find collectors in Europe and North America who want to have in their collections is stylistically recognizable, title, indicative of a number of Soviet artists. Of these sales, I do own conclusions. Make public the names of buyers and sellers, I do not have the right, subscribe gave. I do not understand why my opinion of only one artist led to a vicious, to slyunoizverzheniya, the reaction of local verbiage. Gentlemen, we're not competitors, we did not intersect, and, I hope I never encounter each! Do not worry so take care of your health! Well you're so excited you? Some of the same Astaltseva of the Internet and at auctions, can be effectively evaluated in 1-1,5 thousand dollars. You're absolutely right, these figures, but only with respect to these specific works. Two or three I've seen things and that is cheaper. Come across things and quite decent, priced lower than they should, even dumping dealer auction Gelos. Price same policy in general is very strange, and uncertain. Often the best work is assessed much lower than the worst. Not evaluated the state of the work. Some Dmitri hard in different places trades clearly unfinished work - podmalevkom, arguing that the experts Sovkoma appreciate her 100 thousand. As such, the picture is not able to distinguish Ferapontovo of Kolomna. Bravo, Russian dealer! Here you all to earnestly discuss the artist, but nobody told the seller that exhibited their work ruined. Even the photo shows that she is flooded with either varnish, or darkened varnish late overlay. Work to restore to, but not appreciated. About Sovkome: Of course, schischennuyu palette knife with a realistic picture could be viewed as a complete work of avant-garde, but the appraiser should be aware to what style of this artist worked and, therefore, to evaluate and take things to the auction. That is, should be a professional.
In any adequate public at first received detailed information about the creative face of the artist as a whole, with all the artistic medium of the same time, visualize a place among the masters of his contemporaries, and only then do so cosmic in scope statements and conclusions, as in these pages. Otherwise it turns the situation described in the parable of the elephant and the blind.
The desire to engage in this rotten, as it turned out, the controversy, I have actually called peremptory and not very professional in the conventional world view, statements made by some respondents on the evaluation of all the works of masters of such a small number of products and nonexponential. I'm on this step very sorry, more on your forum will not go. Something I've lost the habit ten years from the fangs of our okolotvorcheskoy Russian intelligentsia. Your wildly market me a little scared and surprised. Chur me, mind you! I wish all the commercial success, but somehow too evil characters come across here. Hungry, probably ...

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diana-che, brava!
B-R-A-V-A !!!

Well, the curtain ...

[diana-che]

Lord feared the dealers! I am very flattered that you have deleted my last entry. This further convinced me of bias your forum. For a small amount of time that I had the displeasure to communicate on these pages, I noticed the cohesion of your group. I noticed that for every sneeze, you put each other all sorts of "thank you", artificially raising the ranking of each other in the forum. I noticed you do not answer the specific questions and exposes what is advantageous to you. I understand that you - dealers, and you have to artificially bring down the prices that you could buy with a view to further sale. You accused me unfounded. Once I brought a whole page of concrete evidence with real examples, my account there and then disappeared from the forum. Lord, who as a child spoiled little smiles, our gallery is not selling spoiled pictures do not need me to advise that I buy. I seriously do their labor, and can distinguish between each artist, with paintings by working at the moment, a "bad job of intact, finished and unfinished from schischenny canvas of artistic reception. You'd better get a zeal displayed to his guests - sellers. You people asked a specific question about the value of their original works. You could not tell him that the thing needs restoration and how it affects the price. You just wanted to emphasize his own importance and imaginary professionalism. Again, what a professional can not be the one who makes art rating based on a random selection of works is clearly defective, very random, those that are incidental owners put up for sale as unnecessary. A professional should know all the creativity of the artist that he himself is judged, and that qualified to give advice to owners of works, with no special education and podgotovki.Ved for that you have created your forum. Or not to do?
Professional can not be unaware that in addition to auctions, there are other ways of selling and if he does not say, so has its own goals and interests. I understand that you are not hard to hunt down and remove not liking your opponent. But the Internet is big and artistic world even more. There are other means of communication. Too bad you both, gentlemen dealers. Again, not very professional. The blow must be able to hold differently. With dignity.

[Konstantin]

Lord feared the dealers! I am very flattered that you have deleted my last entry. This further convinced me of bias your forum.

diana-che what have the dealer? We (the administration) have deleted your message because they found it insulting to the forum.
Want to talk or even argue badly - please, but politely.

The desire to engage in this rotten, as it turned out, the controversy, I have actually called peremptory and not very professional in the conventional world view, statements made by some respondents on the evaluation of all the works of masters of such a small number of products and nonexponential. I'm on this step very sorry, more on your forum will not go. There's something I'm unaccustomed to ten years from the fangs of our Russian okolotvorcheskoy intellectuals.

And yet you're here again.
Before you post a message on the forum, you probably read about what is written and how. And apparently were satisfied, otherwise why register and write?
The fact that you do not like the answer - alas, sometimes happens.

[ecc4]

diana-che, we all understand that you have chosen the path scandal in the subject Astaltsev, normal marketing ploy ... But you must understand that here people walk knowing that how much, and persuade them meaningless, you are those loans where else ... Astaltseva presented here, now and for $ 500, sell hard, so I do know this ...

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Сообщение от diana-che

As soon as I brought a whole page of concrete evidence with real examples, my account there and then disappeared from the forum.

But-but-but ...
Why so much "flatter" deleted message: there was no one your price, no one your figures in general ...
Only the "alien" figures, foreign prices:

Some of the same Astaltseva of the Internet and at auctions, can be effectively evaluated in 1-1,5 thousand dollars.
Some Dmitri hard in different places trades clearly unfinished work - podmalevkom, arguing that the experts Sovkoma appreciate her 100 thousand. As such, the picture is not able to distinguish Ferapontovo of Kolomna. Bravo, Russian dealer!

But your words about your prices:

Besides, many of you are just prone to exaggeration and distortion, on specific prices, I did not write.

And what you call "concrete evidence"?
A story about some mythical collectors from Europe and North America? "This specifics?
Show your phrases:

But we, in turn, find collectors in Europe and North America who want to have in their collections is stylistically recognizable, title, indicative of a number of Soviet artists. Of these sales, I do own conclusions. Make public the names of buyers and sellers, I do not have the right, subscribe gave.

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Incidentally, I oskorbitelnog in your words could not see anything, but funny, yes:

Something I've lost the habit ten years from the fangs of our okolotvorcheskoy Russian intelligentsia. Your wildly market me a little scared and surprised. Chur me, mind you! I want commercial success, but somehow too evil characters come across here. Hungry, perhaps ...

But the administration is visible.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от diana-che

As soon as I brought a whole page of concrete evidence with real examples, my account there and then disappeared from the forum.

Listen, let's at the request of the author will restore the message that there was no aura of mystery. Evidence revered promised. And real-world examples. What could be simpler?

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Listen, let's at the request of the author will restore the message

And I, for example, this message diana-che is.

Сообщение от Vladimir

Evidence revered promised.

There are none.
But I would restore.

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What could be simpler?

[Konstantin]

Ok, restored № 21. Learn.

[diana-che]

Dear Administrators and dealers! Very, very sad, embarrassed that your peace of mind and beatific serenity.
Dear Konstantin, in no way wanted to offend you. This is because you personally for myself offended. In the quotations cited by you personally and your loyal friends (and enemies and just random people are unlikely to find quotations, a very peculiar way to pull, the remote for many hours before the message) is just not the place associated with the response to your remarks. What, you did not like it - alas, sometimes happens. But take the assurances of your consideration.
Absolutely not had you personally in mind when speaking of the system evaluations. But you do write, and the picture and understand that the small size cardboard can be written a masterpiece, but in large canvas is something hard to swallow. What are you so offended? But if it happened very, very sorry about that.
Mr ess4 who knows what-how much you both wanted to give moral support to the administration (and 10 minutes had passed, as you framed Constantine friendly shoulder) did not even read very carefully what the actual question. The painting, which you mention, can not be sold, even for $ 500. I was the fourth time I write about the fact that it requires serious restoration.
Cyril, but for you I am very pleased. Finally I was able to cheer you, as you all so angry awful, as many horror ... It's a pity the music you sent with your response to the deleted message did not have time to listen. It is interesting that listening to such vysokoerudirovannye dealers. Correspondence with you gives me great pleasure, for the sake of me and came back. I wanted to have fun, too. It is true that Constantine in this offense. But alas - it also happens.
Well, if it is serious indeed on your forum has developed a close and friendly team of associates. On the one hand, it is very good. On the other hand, you really are very aggressive to other people's opinion does not coincide with yours, and it is probably still not very intelligent and not always look nice. The fact that the vast majority of you - good professionals, I do not really doubt it. I have no doubt that all of you a much greater experts than I am. I'm just doing a very narrow range of artists - with 11 personalities. So, of course, easier for me in more detail oriented and creative, and as each individual works by these masters, including Astaltseva, who for no reason at all suddenly fell into this squabble. Once again, I want to tell you that we in no way rivals and I can hardly turn your way.
A pricing at auctions really leaves much to be desired, and the category of artists, compiled on the basis of the limited amount of work is very uneven quality, ripped from the overall context of the creative heritage, indeed, many bygone masters who can not have to fend for themselves, not quite, and do not always correspond to reality . Once again I want to assure you that I did in Russia, no one going to buy and sell, too, I'm not. And your assumptions about marketing moves are not justified and such strong emotion, too.
I wish you all peace and peace of mind.