Forgery in the auction, "Three Centuries" November 10, 2013

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от mobydick; 2835061 "

It is strange that no more photographs , seen by you and the " many " people who do not have the courage to write about it here .

Note about the authenticity of your work, now out of the question , the analogy about horses and donkeys are not relevant .

Well first of all , a lot of people do not .
Second, we have such a mentality in people , " none of my business , I know nothing ."
Photographic materials are, but I do not want to give them . For obvious reasons.
Although now reading this thread .
I 've already written one and a half years ago :
"The work is nowhere never reproduced and exhibited .
At the end of 2000 - ies in humans , enter into the family, was this picture .
Some time later , in Odessa, I saw a copy of the original , written on photography , also without a signature , only much larger . Original - 48 cm on the larger side .
Take a photograph of the copy I could not. "
I very much regret that at that time I did not have a camera.
I do not have any complaints to you . Sell ​​the job , proceed at your discretion . But my opinion is that it is easier to do "beautiful ", maintaining its reputation as it is practiced in all blood pressure - remove the picture from the auction , than to make a return, if the buyer has any doubts .

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And that's the question . Is there Odessa expertise ? And the work there appears the signature of the artist or not? How to work with the caption " Nilus ," representing the value of the museum , was driven through customs from Ukraine to Russia ? Or maybe she left without a signature as NH after 50s ? Satisfy curiosity , please.

[Artem]

Сообщение от Vivien

And who wants to give the "back " and just admit that, yes, a mistake ? It is necessary to have a conscience, honesty, courage to admit.
All real people - all have the right to be wrong . Do not mistake the one who never writes expert reports .

Dear Vivian, in this case, I am not referring to experts.

About them, have all been clear ... ! So many words have been said and written ....

Here are examples of -" Antique held hostage by the grandmothers "
Some experts were wrong for the money , others - by accident. When they are taken by the tail , they say, oh, wrong , sorry. So antiquarians were held hostage by the grandmothers !


I mean it like that -

Сообщение от an art lover

I was the final link - bought the painting from the famous broker you trust. .
Of course , it is unpleasant when bred for money

In this case - Discuss on the forum ... it's not out ...... not return the money back !

For the rest, I totally agree with you!

[anik]

What if all join together buyers and sellers and to eliminate this harmful, parasitic link - the "experts"!

[John Preston]

Сообщение от anik

What if all join together buyers and sellers and to eliminate this harmful , parasitic link - the "experts »!

How do you imagine that ? " By eye " to determine the authenticity of things do you want ?

By no means all have deep knowledge in the arts, and especially in the field of avant-garde - without expert advice and provenance things in general are neither bought nor sold !

[anik]

You do not say!?
I buy all my life without these papers.

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It depends on whose eye!
By eye of Mr. and others like them just is not worth buying.

[John Preston]

Сообщение от anik

What are you talking about?!
I buy all my life without these papers.

Similar, but this thing does not change.
Without the expertise of a good thing can be difficult to sell, especially if it raises some doubts.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Artem; 2833821 "

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I was the final link - bought the painting from the famous broker you trust. The examination was fresh, all - rite rite .
Of course , it is unpleasant when bred for money, but more bitter than on the situation itself . Experts, we are forced to trust , you can count on one hand . And they feel their impunity . "I've aged , and not afraid of anything ," said G. recently someone.
Please tell me if anyone knows how that story ended ....

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused : the story of the consequences of which asks Artem, and the history of counterfeiting of Nilus with expertise Gerashchenko , which began topic Vivienne - are one and the same ?
Subject obviously cut and, as usual , in the most interesting place ... So it's hard to understand "fresh examination of the rank rank " - is what ? For whose signature ...

If the examination , it was said, "fresh " and even Moscow - we have already begun to insure professional liability experts. So ....

[anik]

Generally speaking , all these Petrov , Gerashchenkov , but in fact the whole body of so-called "experts" after what they nakosyachili , collectively or individually , would already have been , as they say nowadays the Internet, " apstenu be killed " if , of course they have a conscience.

It is clear that they have no conscience and they brazenly greedy saliva dripping , continue to take money for their worthless pieces of paper .

So why market participants do not arrest these parasites.
Sellers should be given to long-term guarantee of selling things , say 20-30 years . Of course, the seller must have an eye , intuition and knowledge. If they do not, then do not take up this profession , or go to apprentices until the necessary skills are not ripe .

[Владимир Владимирович]

Сообщение от anik; 2835361 "

from the seller must have an eye , intuition and knowledge .

The eye and intuition to be the buyer . But if there is no art history education , knowledge and experience is not enough , and really want to buy and then turn to an expert friend . Many of the characters , with no expertise at all afraid to fly . Ready platit.Bez expertise , I think for a long time to them , and everyone else can not do.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от anik; 2835361 "

sellers should be given to long-term guarantee of selling things , say years 20-30

And what, honest sellers there are any problems with the guarantees ? Generally , guarantees, in my opinion - it's a thing that should give the sellers , not the opposite ...

Stop and splutter in another topic. Give understand, please