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Old 24-07-2012, 15:18 Original language: Russian        #21
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Joanna, but if it is not Russian, but suppose the French or other European picture, the fact that they all dig >? Antitank ditch ?
In Europe , too, created by such fortifications .
For example, on the orders of Gauleiter of East Prussia, Erich Koch all the local people were put to work on the construction of the fortifications, which were to stop the advance of the Red Army.

That picture of the summer of the 44th year:
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Old 24-07-2012, 16:14 Original language: Russian        #22
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The thing is not shifted from place 70 years.

If so, it was written when?
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Johanna, maybe the owners will remember where they got it, and under what circumstances?

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I'm not sure that it is a Russian picture

And some formal the grounds for such doubts is?
At least the country in which the picture is physically the last 70 years?




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Old 24-07-2012, 17:08 Original language: Russian        #23
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country of Russia , the city of St. Petersburg, is the " underwear " is a major post-war meeting. The bulk of hanging on the wall from the heirs or sold , and left a bunch of obscure works. And it is impossible to sell , and zhalkovato . Here I sit quietly make out , indulging in nostalgic memories. Owner , deep in his care, gave them to me with the parting words : "All we divide in half ," so that at first trying to decide something for themselves .



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is confident that the laying of any industrial plant - the plant, plant, Magnitogorsk
As I said above, that is the construction of anti-tank ditch ... The fact that the picture is the light spots illuminated by the sun, are the special stages during the construction of ditches prienyaemyh called flankirovaniem .
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special stages in the construction of ditches prienyaemyh called flankirovaniem

Perhaps you're right.
In favor of this ditch, and not the plant, still says no, and slogans.
So to agree with the version of the ditch.
It turns out, 1940?



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The picture shown is not digging and digging - all in an ode to pose, digging the earth net.Kuda quit digging the ground - at each other? Yes, and cast earth net.Oni out there that dig potatoes in the pit ...
Frankly, the discussion always surprises the canvas like a photograph - a significant reflection of the world, rather than creative work.
But artistic freedom? .. the so-called "artistic whistle"? .. If there is no flying clods with shovels - "dig", slogans, it is just could mean that did not fit into the idea of ​​the artist, did not fit into the composition, and so on and so on and so on, but just did not want the author not in the mood (something personal <! - ~ 1 ~ ->) - is eligible.
Focus on the plot and details of the possible, but no more.

In addition, it is not "authentic" social realism, which supposedly reflect reality, and that after 1932 forcibly dumped in one pile formalism. Maybe it's because work is not signed, that is no longer a trace? Still do, but feared.
My feeling is - it's the end of 30th or abroad 30-40 years., And in my opinion too - flying European presence, but can the artist was influenced by the French (Millet and hedgehog with it).



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Maybe it's because work is not signed, that is no longer a trace?

Glasha, and in the lower left corner - no signature?



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A., Yes ...
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Even more so.
It is best to try to make out the signature, rather than ....
(See first paragraph of the previous posts).




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better to try to make out the signature

Glasha, you think, is this possible?
If only someone "personally known" to the end of the stroke (provided that it is not the bottom of the figure "5", which in this case could mean 1945).


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better to try to make out the signature , rather than ....
You can try , but the signature is almost invisible.
I assume the version that the author of the picture could be either an eyewitness or a participant of the construction , for construction of the pit with stepped ledges uninitiated person might just not know.



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