"Oleg Tselkov. XXI Century ". Painting 2000-2010. In the Art Gallery "to 35"

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And about the price you say?
Here, I've seen, prices have already discussed the secondary market. You are about them ?

Yes, of course , just about them. Is there a primary Tselkova on price? That is, it works with select dealers that shape the market to work and their price ? We have , of course , artists who are trying to work that way , but only with the formation of prices from dealers , it does not hurt coming out. While I totally just for this - it is only profitable to collectors .

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Сообщение от "Alec Sander; 2116181 '

That is, it works with select dealers that shape the market to work and their price?

With galleries, more.

[olga_jellyfish]

Anyway , the price of Tselkova much more due to objective factors , rather than , for example, many artists of contemporary art.
Estimate , even if work has not bought it from this auction is a certain level of price fixing . I think many would agree with that .
Well, can not Tselkov sold for 50 rubles -)
In fact, many of the exhibition is already sold.

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Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 2116181 '

Is there a primary Tselkova on price?

Well, not as the author himself puts his things in the auctions.
The owners put up earlier purchased the product . It is clear that they are buying them just for the "original " prices .

Сообщение от olga_jellyfish; 2116591"

Well, not Tselkov sold for 50 rubles -)

And for reference:

Top 10 works of Oleg Tselkova Five persons
( 223,194 GBP)
Two beetles
( 202,414 GBP)
The boy with balloons
( 238,406 GBP)
Four-headed man with a nail
( 181,250 GBP)
A woman with a cat and a butterfly
( 164,807 GBP)
ladies
( 164,807 GBP)
five masks
( 132,000 GBP)
Five and a pair of scissors
( 165,000 EUR)
Acrobat acrobat with a portrait
( 126,000 GBP)
smoker
( 126,341 GBP)

   
By the way, tomorrow Macdougall, e will be a thing Tselkova 1980 ( s /m , 89x116) - Lot 325 with an estimate of 50,000 - 70,000 GBP, and the next day - at Christies, £ 1982 vertical big thing ( s /m, 195h130 ) - Lot 98, estimate: 40,000 - 60,000 GBP.
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[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от olga_jellyfish

Anyway , the price of Tselkova much more due to objective factors , rather than , for example, many artists of contemporary art.

It is very questionable statement. With whom are you comparing it ? In Hurst ? With Rabin ? With Murakami ? First, enter the coordinate system.

Сообщение от olga_jellyfish

estimate , even if work has not bought it from this auction is a certain level of price fixing . I think many would agree with that .
Well, can not Tselkov sold for 50 rubles -)

But I do not agree , even more than that will state that this is nonsense . Fixing the price of the sale of the artist is within the estimate , and not dream of a seller.

Сообщение от olga_jellyfish

By the way, many works from the exhibition have already been sold .

Your right is to say , but my right not to believe in it . You rely on their own factors , but I rely its own, namely Tselkova sales over the past three years - as the official ( auction ) and informal ( gallery ).

[SAH]

Alec Sander, in any case the artist has great potential and to acquire his works are not big risk, even if a little bit and pay more.

[olga_jellyfish]

Сообщение от Alex Sander

It is very questionable statement. With whom are you comparing it ? In Hurst ? With Rabin ? With Murakami ? First, enter the coordinate system.

Rabin can hardly be attributed to the current contemporary art (in Western terminology). I think you , like me , we know some of roosiyskih representatives of contemporary art, with a fairly average CV, without the auction sales , and the level of prices starting at 10,000 euros.
Art O. Tselkova - this is a classic. But, you seem to be otherwise. Which authors do you think are attractive investment ?

Сообщение от Alex Sander

your right to say it , but my right not to believe in it . You rely on their own factors , but I rely its own, namely Tselkova sales over the past three years - as the official ( auction ) and informal ( gallery ).

Which galleries do you mean? According to our information , gallery sales in Paris are quite stable , and in the United States even more than.

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Сообщение от Alec Sander

price fixing in the sale of the artist is the fact that within the estimate

Estimeyty also did not come from the ceiling.
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[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Estimeyty also did not come from the ceiling . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Not often seen estimeyty taken from the ceiling. For example, how to estimate a price on the same Yakovlev ? At the auction, two paintings by Shishkin leave for 50-60 thousand dollars each. Then put on the auction Shishkin Yakovlev prices from 20 to 30 thousand dollars. Paintings are not sold. Auction house "Cabinet " puts Yakovlev estimate in 5000 dollars. Paintings for sale. English auctions are put on the Yakovlev 10-12 thousand dollars. Pictures are sometimes sold , sometimes not. Question: Does recorded Shishkin estimate the real cost of Yakovlev ?

And by the way , is another example of a fun find , but about Tselkova . In November, the 11- year picture of the " big- man" was exhibited at " Sotheby's " for 80-120 000 pounds. It was not sold. Now she is exposed to " Makdugalse " for the 50-70 000 lbs . And this is called " estimeyty also did not come from the ceiling ?" There estimeyty correct , and there are wrong . Still, fixes the price of an artist's only the fact of the sale.

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Сообщение от Alec Sander; 2117051"

pictures ... go ...
Paintings are not sold.
Paintings for sale.
Pictures are sometimes sold, sometimes not.

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Excuse me, but professionals are trying to somehow, in my vzgyad in conversations among themselves to avoid such a pompous and not the exact term - "paintings". What a picture of what technique, what size, what period? No, the "picture" and all.
Paintings and estimate. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Do you want a real conversation about the price of Yakovlev (which, incidentally, Yakovlev, even at auction Shishkin much: and nonconformist Vladim and p I. Yakovlev, and the socialist realists Boris and Vasily Nikolayevich Yakovlev, and the author of the northern series Yakovlev Andrey, and, of course, the famous emigrant Yakovlev Alexander E.) - let's Shortcuts to the auctions, etc.

 You can disassemble and estimeyty and treatments, but in concrete examples.

Сообщение от Alec Sander; 2117051"

There estimeyty right and are wrong.

The correct estimate - a low, or where the result has been achieved?
In the appointment of the estimate and take into account the wishes of the owner-deliverers (sometimes quite inadequate), and the situation with the previous passages of this author on this auction, and lots of unusual artist, or, conversely, the frequent flashing of his work at different sites, and the situation with its sales, if the author currently lives and practices, of course, the primary market.
A lot of factors - even I can tell you, the desire to fill a poor catalog of specific trades may induce a bright lot auction agree with the "space" or a bad estimate deliverers kaledar, bad weather in afternoon trading, the complex crisis in the political arena (attack with some European capital, for example), etc., etc.
Differently-shaped case.