Required landscape - an exhibition in St. Petersburg and the presentation of the book

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I'm just about it was like a conversation with Sergei Chizh Chigrakovym .
He was so literally , and said : " And now there is no underground , hiding in basements do not have to . "

But nonetheless :

Сообщение от fabosch

Just a Moscow underground on hearing , and St. Petersburg , no less interesting , except for Peter's little- known .

Wait, what to say fabosch on the subject.

In general , according to Peter would like more information - there are all so varied , variegated , that simply do not know where to dig.
I was there 5 years ago about this - left disappointed , obviously glupshe had to dig .

[Кирилл Сызранский]

artcol, it seems to me, fabosch had in mind that "underground", andegrandovsky yet.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I'm just about it was like a conversation with Sergei Chizh Chigrakovym .
He was so literally , and said : " And now there is no underground , hiding in basements do not have to . "

The word " underground "was not Russian , as is well known .
( There mirikansky film " Underground " , I did , however , was not looking ) .

That is the same in the West mean by " underground " ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 1581271 "

The word " underground "was not Russian , as is well known .

Yeah , we know : English . unerground - underground.

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor

( There mirikansky film " Underground " , I did , however , was not looking ).

In boysniytsa Kusturica film Underground has /Podzemљe /Unerground, but he did not " mirikansky , and Serbo -French - German .
Emir Kusturica for him in 1995 at Cannes for film " Palme d'Or " has received . The second time , actually. The first - 10 years earlier for " Dad on a business trip . "
By the way , Goran Bregovic to " Underground " super-duper music composed and one song out to you , a Russian patriot Igor Sasha, should be particularly nice :

 

[I-V]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 1580621 "

When it comes to that , the art created in the post- Soviet Russia? " More investment is too yunno /young, he is 20 years old , it is interesting for investment only , I believe , created by people , which took place earlier , once again in the Soviet period, in 60-70 years .

It's of course. But if you are able to find someone who swims against the tide , I believe , in 15 years - 20 , they undoubtedly constitute a stable investment-attractive group . The whole question is whether there are such artists , and whether there is something that can be called main-stream ? If it is , then those who move against the flow must be somewhere .

[artcol]

Сообщение от I-V

This, of course . But if you are able to find someone who swims against the tide , I believe , in 15 years - 20 , they undoubtedly constitute a stable investment-attractive group . The whole question is whether there are such artists , and whether there is something that can be called main-stream ? If it is , then those who move against the flow must be somewhere .

I would not be tied to protivotechnosti to investment . Do they know where they float - rowing against the tide ? Or is it " on lined paper, write across " ?

[fabosch]

Сообщение от artcol

It is clear , though not all .
I am now wondering : what is underground in the post - Soviet Russia ? Well, in the scoop is understandable , but now ? Artists not accepted in prof. community ? Or sociopaths ? Or something third ?

artcol, of course I mean the one true underground , roughly until 1985 : arefevtsy , sidlintsy and generally what's called " gazanevskaya culture . "

Now what could be underground . Well, no, of course , periodically climbs some people who call themselves so , but it is not serious .

I use the term underground instead of the term non-conformism . Somehow I like the latter is smaller . Well, one must somehow differ from Moscow ( in short , the curb - the curb , shaurma - shaverma , buloshnaya - a bakery, a gum - the eraser , Chebyshev - Chebyshev , etc. )

[I-V]

Сообщение от artcol; 1581681 "

Do they know where they are sailing - rowing against the tide ?

That's the whole point is that the first thing we must understand where the course is whether it at all. It is clear that much is possible and that the ceremony would scare even the underground , now on the crest of a wave . But something tells me that the more important for the future is not what is on the crest ( foam fly) , but what is hidden in the depths . That is to see and feel .
But this was easier to just when the Soviet Union , when the surface was dead calm , and nothing prevented the start dive . Now the storm , spray foam - go and look at what 's down there , and whether there is anything at all ? But he who dares zanyrnut , believing that there is something still there , rewarded , I think it would be a hundredfold .

[artcol]

Сообщение от IV

That's the whole point is that the first thing we must understand where the course is whether it at all. It is clear that much is possible and that the ceremony would scare even the underground , now on the crest of a wave . But something tells me that the more important for the future is not what is on the crest ( foam fly) , but what is hidden in the depths . That is to see and feel .
But this was easier to just when the Soviet Union , when the surface was dead calm , and nothing prevented the start dive . Now the storm , spray foam - go and look at what 's down there , and whether there is anything at all ? But he who dares zanyrnut , believing that there is something still there , rewarded , I think it would be a hundredfold .

Yes, it is no longer spray , no depth . Buy artists whose artistic maturity came in during the 90's - none. A unique time , a unique period in Russian history. art .

[Seriy]

in the West often use the term outsiders art keeping in mind of the people involved outside of society, people with different social positions.