History of Counterfeiting Grigorieva

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Сообщение от khmelev

sick and tired.
It is necessary to wait for the court

In Russia, the court is not, there are solutions.
Unfortunately.
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Сообщение от Eriksson

... Tired ...

Сообщение от khmelev

sick and tired.
It is necessary to wait for the court

And I have grown tired of the topic itself, it interests me.
But his attempts to listen to her talk on the narrow-minded level - yes, too tired.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And I have grown tired of the topic itself, it interests me still.
But his attempts to listen to her talk on the narrow-minded level - yes, too tired.

And you have new facts of the case?
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Allow me to join you .
Topic is very interesting for all ...
In my opinion , it is extremely important now ( although very difficult psychologically ) objective to consider the situation . Not be on someone's side. In this sense, like the day before yesterday Shkurenok article of " Novaya Gazeta in St. Petersburg ." Well, it gives an opportunity for all to speak . http://novayagazeta.spb.ru/articles/8413/
What do you think ?

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Another interesting observation - almost simultaneously in Wikipedia there were two personalities - Elena Basner and Andrey Vasilyev . Created by the same person - "Russian avant-garde". Sorry, page not established objectively. It is seen that page Vasilyeva positive . Basner - negative . Particularly impressive ogromenny and restocked daily section " Publications about Elena Basner ." It is clear that Wikipedia is open for editing , but it works only with them "Russian avant-garde".

Is not it interesting ... ?

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Сообщение от Peter C.

Is not it interesting ...?

Particularly interesting is that this /this Russian avant-garde all day today working on the article: with eight in the morning and started plowing all without a break.
Some links - a few dozen.
It is evident that a person is seriously prepared.
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Article Irina Karasik picture:



http://art1.ru/art/vokrug-parizhskogo-kafe/

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Сообщение от Solnce

In Russia, the court is not, there are solutions.
Unfortunately

Oddly sorry, but you're right.

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Сообщение от Eriksson

Article Irina Karasik picture :
http://art1.ru/art/vokrug-parizhskogo-kafe/

Interestingly, in this article you can see the next picture . Are they similar? Some journalists wrote: " They are like two peas in a pod ." Dumb ... ( type - Find the differences in 1100 )

And yet, very dumb was seen in the " Arguments and Facts " colored insert http://www.aif.ru/culture/art/1102178 " How is a fake ." Especially touching sounds that is " finished product placed in an oven ... "

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Listen gentlemen, well, how can plow the sand ? and even in two similar themes in different sections of the forum .

Can understand nothing in painting, art market, and after reading all that is written in this thread, do enough objective conclusions about this story.

First, such a story would not be inflated if the "main accused" was not just innocent intermediary or expert entitled to a mistake. Fraud - the main accusation . and rather obvious - it is fair. Next , all seen on time, the entire story was originally embedded specifically for a specific buyer . Too many lines coincide , too obvious and subtle approach catching " live bait " , all details of the specific forgery , its "history " and " provenance " were well thought out to exactly Vasiliev bought it .

Further. the reputation of the " defendant " is not crystal, read this topic . references to old stories to other counterfeits sold to different opinion of market participants about the man. little what? You can continue , but I think you should just wait . will continue to be only bigger.

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Сообщение от abbakus

.... well, how can plow the sand ? and even in two similar themes in different sections of the forum ..

I do not agree with you. This topic is devoted to the subject - " Forgery Grigorieva ." Another topic is the personality Elena Basner . Your post is directed against the person Basner . That is probably why you are not interested in the topic and forgery. And we are very interesting ....
I agree that information until enough ....

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And another :
Just read and advise a very good and a great article in Zolotonosov "City 812 " ( currently only available in printed form ) . All laid out on shelves . Quite objectively. It has a new promise for me - " consequence would like to check the authenticity of the independent examination of the Russian Museum ." It is not clear where there are " independent experts ."

Interesting website on different versions of the causes and consequences . I advise ...

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I have a feeling that I was late - too late discovered this forum . Subject became exhausted and not interested ...
I can throw in some firewood ?

Why nobody notes that fake Vasilyeva, original from the Russian Museum and the picture of the magazine is completely different Burceva not like the paintings themselves ? This is not a " copy " is not a " clone " is not " as two drops of water " ... The only thing that unites them is a common theme , composition, basic color ratio (for the first two ) . They are categorically different.
This is the first .

Second . A very important idea - if the forger Vasilievka pictures I was ( chur - chur me) I would have brought Vasilyev (via Basner - SHumakova ) not Vasilevsky composition , and would create an absolutely precise composition and all-all Circuits Journal Burceva . After all, only photographic Burtsevskaya is 100%proven Grigoryevskaya original song! It's easy! Was it not a bingo ? Why invent something of their own , not on what does not like ?
Or am I wrong somewhere and error in my reasoning ?

Lord , well, right?

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Сообщение от Peter C.; 3004991"

rochital and advise a very good and a great article in Zolotonosov "City 812 " ( currently only available in printed form ) . All laid out on shelves . Quite objectively. It has a new promise for me - " consequence would like to check the authenticity of the independent examination of the Russian Museum ." It is not clear where there are " independent experts "

This article has been possible to open the internet, by title and author. It is interesting and slips something new ...

All pictures are printed already everywhere on the Internet and can be compared. "Both " disputed differ from " printed " at Burceva . Both - differ from one another and both are , so to say , is not quite convincing.
Here's why:
That which is in the timing looks too fresh, bright paint . Its composition better " balance " dark and black colors, they are " balanced " right and left - a dark figure on the left is balanced black gloves and black dashes patterned costume ladies right. And she " psihologichnee " copy Vasiljeva seen as visitors look at each other cafes , intriguing .. Copy Vasilyeva " inequitable " to dark tones , the left side outweighs ...
Photo on the coffee near the old man with a monocle visible ball pattern which differs from both pictures ( and correct him there was no need ) ... But the old man with a beard he squints through his monocle at someone ... This is not " both discussed " ....
And here's another " surprise" . Referred to " the possibility of tracing " in the process of restoration. First where the restorer, as his name and where he restored the record .
Secondly - such works as distemper not restore oil, considering it would be a complete distortion of the author's work : in tempera, gouache or watercolor no " imposition of strokes above" impossible. Such work only canned : clean , glue , etc. The rest - that remains ...
Third - this work is well kept , it is known from whom to whom passed and its owners were aware that it can or can not do ...
Fourth - " technical expertise , " the study ... This is the problem , learn cardboard on both paintings when he was developed ? A temperature , its composition , at least , in what connection?
Previously, she was on casein is modern - PVA ...
All of this can be used to determine the " stylistic " expertise.