What distinguishes the true artist from not present? - Страница 28 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Pavel · 14.02.2010, 16:40

Veronica I'm not interested in the views of modern because it is mainly to attract attention to themselves lucre ...
Van Gogh worked for 10 years and during that time did so much. This is my favorite artist. Instead, the legends should be plunged into the atmosphere of the time and everything will become clear. It is Cezanne. Van Gogh, Gauguin, and then had Bonn. Winterhalter, academics, Bouguereau, etc. You know these artists, and then all were compared with them, and while the Impressionists were worth 200 Meissonier was worth 400000 and Bonn-700000frankov gold.
One got 20 works of Van Gogh, he washed them and wrote his was a painter. Actually it's quite serious and more interesting than fiction.

Mona · 14.02.2010, 18:29

[QUOTE=Veronic;917242] Paul, personally I always suspected. that the legend of Van Goga something wrong.

If you read the story to the end, you'd find there these words

"I do not believe it!" as saying Stanislavsky. It is the researcher? scientist? where this information? he (Kozlov), their quotes by page and with all the instructions? As usual, partial truth, with the addition of fried facts from the popular magazine. Are you kidding? what is this source? Who believes this? Today Kozlov wrote about Van Gogh, and tomorrow about the Indians and all he is equally well understood? Votimeno, that speech and that iskusstvoedcheskie popular articles - this is mostly rubbish to forcing the public to buy. And who would buy a magazine, if "open" about Van Gogh?

Veronic · 14.02.2010, 19:02

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"I do not believe it!" as saying Stanislavsky. It is the researcher? scientist? where this information? he (Kozlov), their quotes by page and with all the instructions? As usual, partial truth, with the addition of fried facts from the popular magazine. Are you kidding? what is this source? Who believes this? Today Kozlov wrote about Van Gogh, and tomorrow about the Indians and all he is equally well understood? Votimeno, that speech and that iskusstvoedcheskie popular articles - this is mostly rubbish to forcing the public to buy. And who would buy a magazine, if "open" about Van Gogh?

Mona, that is, you are hinting that the author has sucked this version of the finger?
But, in the original language, look for this information, I probably will not, Van Gogh is not the artist from whom I would be buried in the bowels of the internet and literature, and indeed on my preferences you know.

Seriy · 14.02.2010, 19:30

What's the difference? Yes, the artist must be sold and Van Gogh sought it. He was a man with a kind of social behavior - what is the story of his preaching to the miners environment. Most successful his work, he began to set up two years before his tragic end, so neither in fact nor in sovremennyi standards, he could not manage to become popular. He was obsessed with painting.
This is all well combined with asceticism, as the special friends he had not, and local residents by the parties. And the madness, or rather the mental illness he had, he understood this and understood that the development of this disease completely negate his connection to the world. So it happened. And he committed suicide. Tragic story, what to do.
If he was healthy, then another 5 years and his fame would be overtaken.
The fact that he understood how important it is in decorative painting - he's a huge plus.
Many artists have become recluses, because it helps to concentrate. Picasso, too, shut the door and the estate, even the son could not enter for weeks.

Paul, you would have little material with images of popular artists of the Salon, to compete with the Impressionists, which you mention, sometimes because none of this info, except you do not own, all would be very interesting.

Veronic · 14.02.2010, 19:35

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Paul, you would have little material with images of popular artists of the Salon, to compete with the Impressionists, which you mention, sometimes because none of this info, except you do not own, all would be very interesting.

I'm afraid that Paul does not like these artists, because they at one time were not allowed van Gogh to the salon.
Personally for me it would be very interested to know the history of that time. Many of the materials, I sometimes read here http://www.artrenewal.org/

Pavel · 14.02.2010, 19:47

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Mona, that is, you are hinting that the author has sucked this version of the finger?
But, in the original language, look for this information, I probably will not, Van Gogh is not the artist from whom I would be buried in the bowels of the internet and literature, and indeed on my preferences you know.

Do not dig anywhere. This well-known things. All these artists are hanging in museums, but not as work but as an example of bad painting. Impressionists and Van Gogh had never competed with the academics is involved in painting and tried to reach a new expression. Academics have written on the rules once and learned at the academy.
Themselves understand.

NATA NOVA · 14.02.2010, 19:48

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Many artists have become recluses, because it helps to concentrate.

Admins, zabante me! Rodina (art) you will not forget!

Mona · 14.02.2010, 20:13

[QUOTE=Veronic;917552] Mona, that is, you are hinting that the author has sucked this version of the finger?

Yes. I allude to it. I think Van Gogh is just one artist, for whom and is to bury, not to rant about him just having nothing better to do. I do not understand why I should believe some Kozlov and questioning the data Irving Stone, for example, although long known dolstovernost his biographical novels. And Kozlov who checked?
http://vangogh-world.ru/stone.php

Seriy · 14.02.2010, 20:16

Mona, if by and large, the artist's personal life is his personal life, someone who slept, drank, what the nature and stuff, all biliberda. It is important that he wrote-pictures. Thank Shchukin we have Van Gogh and many do not have far to go, Peter and Moscow.

Peter · 14.02.2010, 20:21

Do not have any legends about Van Gogh! Legends invent people and are lukavstva.Prosto read the letters of Van Gogh, from the first to poslednego.Vy understand that this man was the way in which (some would say arduous), it shel.Normalny man was -thinking, educated, neravnodushnyy.Umel sympathize with and understand others lyudey.Nikogda did not change itself in its tvorchestve.Byl inclined to underestimate himself, perhaps out of modesty (unlike say from Gauguin to Bernard) wanted to sell the painting?-Da.Eto estesstvenno, but never fell for that to intrigue and treachery, he did not deal with his conscience, though in need, and help my brother took all the same with pain in my heart all my life (and not as a self-a). He was a man, and it Hudozhnik.I inseparability of these concepts in the personality of Van Gogh's attracted to him for several generations hudozhnikov.Ne be legends, only letters.

14.02.2010, 19:30	Язык оригинала: Русский #274
Seriy Гуру Регистрация: 26.03.2009 Адрес: Москва-Киев Сообщений: 7,078 Спасибо: 4,985 Поблагодарили 6,613 раз(а) в 2,177 сообщениях Репутация: 12970	What's the difference? Yes, the artist must be sold and Van Gogh sought it. He was a man with a kind of social behavior - what is the story of his preaching to the miners environment. Most successful his work, he began to set up two years before his tragic end, so neither in fact nor in sovremennyi standards, he could not manage to become popular. He was obsessed with painting. This is all well combined with asceticism, as the special friends he had not, and local residents by the parties. And the madness, or rather the mental illness he had, he understood this and understood that the development of this disease completely negate his connection to the world. So it happened. And he committed suicide. Tragic story, what to do. If he was healthy, then another 5 years and his fame would be overtaken. The fact that he understood how important it is in decorative painting - he's a huge plus. Many artists have become recluses, because it helps to concentrate. Picasso, too, shut the door and the estate, even the son could not enter for weeks. Paul, you would have little material with images of popular artists of the Salon, to compete with the Impressionists, which you mention, sometimes because none of this info, except you do not own, all would be very interesting. __________________ художник Ixygon - http://artnow.ru/ru/gallery/3/9765/picture/0/0.html

14.02.2010, 20:16	Язык оригинала: Русский #279
Seriy Гуру Регистрация: 26.03.2009 Адрес: Москва-Киев Сообщений: 7,078 Спасибо: 4,985 Поблагодарили 6,613 раз(а) в 2,177 сообщениях Репутация: 12970	Mona, if by and large, the artist's personal life is his personal life, someone who slept, drank, what the nature and stuff, all biliberda. It is important that he wrote-pictures. Thank Shchukin we have Van Gogh and many do not have far to go, Peter and Moscow. __________________ художник Ixygon - http://artnow.ru/ru/gallery/3/9765/picture/0/0.html

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14.02.2010, 16:40	Язык оригинала: Русский #271
Pavel Гуру Регистрация: 13.02.2009 Сообщений: 7,384 Спасибо: 3,976 Поблагодарили 4,028 раз(а) в 1,687 сообщениях Репутация: -2	Veronica I'm not interested in the views of modern because it is mainly to attract attention to themselves lucre ... Van Gogh worked for 10 years and during that time did so much. This is my favorite artist. Instead, the legends should be plunged into the atmosphere of the time and everything will become clear. It is Cezanne. Van Gogh, Gauguin, and then had Bonn. Winterhalter, academics, Bouguereau, etc. You know these artists, and then all were compared with them, and while the Impressionists were worth 200 Meissonier was worth 400000 and Bonn-700000frankov gold. One got 20 works of Van Gogh, he washed them and wrote his was a painter. Actually it's quite serious and more interesting than fiction.

14.02.2010, 18:29	Язык оригинала: Русский #272
Mona Guest Сообщений: n/a	[QUOTE=Veronic;917242] Paul, personally I always suspected. that the legend of Van Goga something wrong. If you read the story to the end, you'd find there these words "I do not believe it!" as saying Stanislavsky. It is the researcher? scientist? where this information? he (Kozlov), their quotes by page and with all the instructions? As usual, partial truth, with the addition of fried facts from the popular magazine. Are you kidding? what is this source? Who believes this? Today Kozlov wrote about Van Gogh, and tomorrow about the Indians and all he is equally well understood? Votimeno, that speech and that iskusstvoedcheskie popular articles - this is mostly rubbish to forcing the public to buy. And who would buy a magazine, if "open" about Van Gogh?

14.02.2010, 20:13	Язык оригинала: Русский #278
Mona Guest Сообщений: n/a	[QUOTE=Veronic;917552] Mona, that is, you are hinting that the author has sucked this version of the finger? Yes. I allude to it. I think Van Gogh is just one artist, for whom and is to bury, not to rant about him just having nothing better to do. I do not understand why I should believe some Kozlov and questioning the data Irving Stone, for example, although long known dolstovernost his biographical novels. And Kozlov who checked? http://vangogh-world.ru/stone.php

14.02.2010, 20:21	Язык оригинала: Русский #280
Peter Гуру Регистрация: 27.01.2010 Адрес: Москва Сообщений: 1,168 Спасибо: 5,106 Поблагодарили 4,046 раз(а) в 921 сообщениях Записей в дневнике: 4 Репутация: 8102	Do not have any legends about Van Gogh! Legends invent people and are lukavstva.Prosto read the letters of Van Gogh, from the first to poslednego.Vy understand that this man was the way in which (some would say arduous), it shel.Normalny man was -thinking, educated, neravnodushnyy.Umel sympathize with and understand others lyudey.Nikogda did not change itself in its tvorchestve.Byl inclined to underestimate himself, perhaps out of modesty (unlike say from Gauguin to Bernard) wanted to sell the painting?-Da.Eto estesstvenno, but never fell for that to intrigue and treachery, he did not deal with his conscience, though in need, and help my brother took all the same with pain in my heart all my life (and not as a self-a). He was a man, and it Hudozhnik.I inseparability of these concepts in the personality of Van Gogh's attracted to him for several generations hudozhnikov.Ne be legends, only letters.