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Старый 24.01.2012, 01:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #231
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Actually , all purchases made during the exhibition were made on the basis of a spontaneous purchase , buyers have not had the concept of Iksigone , they just went and saw the work purchased. All .
On the territory of the CHA has failed completely to Russian avant-garde line , no one needs , there is no one understands , the wall of Russian avant - squandering exhibition space. Zero response. Accordingly, the title "The Return of the black square " on what did not work, people did not understand the problems itself . And the words " Russian Avant-Garde ," most people do not know .
And what about work? Work quality and sincerity of painting, people are tired of fraud, of threading want something piece . The great success of portraits ( unexpected for me ).
Sery, congratulations on the successful experience ! I also liked your stories and " debriefing" , you are well- behaved, it's called " squeeze out all the exhibitions ," and , more importantly, get rid of illusions ... think about it.
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Art-Galera, thanks!


Samvel, the artists in the CHA, you're right, very different. But as I sat on the "strategic" crossroads with a post of, then I saw all the pictures that were sold-imposed-tested security. I assure you, in January 2012 in CHA just too commercial consumer goods are not bought at all. (That means he is not a commercial.)
I've held an exhibition at the 7th Conference, and had not decided he's good or bad. Particular demand for renters this room does not enjoy, it stood empty throughout the autumn, no one wanted to take. Well it - it is really in the heart of everything. Bad-it is narrow, it is difficult to see the big picture, there is no place to step back, there are very high cost of additional lighting, and without it there as dark as a cave. It is very tiring to sit under the lights all day long. Yet there is no place to put the table as a desk I have - shown in part of the wall, m e the exhibition space. The previous tenants lived without all the table-they had a window table and do not fit anywhere. T e, they all exhibit stood on their feet or sitting on the bench. How to sign directories on the knee?
Exhibition Shibanova, in the most prestigious and most popular products in the 8th tenants hall.

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K-Maler, thanks! As a person with a science education and experience, parting with broken theories without the slightest remorse, an experiment-theory was not confirmed in the furnace-it! :-)
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Старый 02.02.2012, 08:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #233
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At OpenSpace published yesterday Diary singles into the abyss of the art market our Seriy-Iksigona. Well, his own text and photos, we know well, he is here, from this theme, but the introduction and commentary on the diary of "Return of the black square" are interesting, because there would be a neutral view on the issue - people look not to the forum AI and think this may not completely objective, but it deserves, I think, interested in the matter of attention.
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A new section OPENSPACE.RU gives voice to artists who understand the word "modern art" quite differently
We are very grateful to the Muscovite SERGEY VLADIMIROVICH Kiseleva, working in a network under the pseudonym IKSIGON, who sent us his online diary, and thus gave the idea of ​​a new rubric.

Kiselev calls himself a "web designer" - in his words, his work quite successfully sold online, and he repeatedly led the ranking of Russian artists on the site artmajeur.

Deciding under the same pseudonym to get real, Iksigon organized in the CHA his personal exhibition "Return of the black box." In parallel, he kept a diary of events in his blog and discuss each stage of the exhibition on the forums (here and here) with artists, gallery owners, journalists and bloggers. According to the artist himself, his experience is unique, as "the first outdoor experience of the artist's attempt to go online to offline media." Unexpectedly, the artist's exhibition was a commercial success, and among his fans have been all sorts of people - from professional gallery owners to television stars.

Mentioned in the text names, names of institutions (except for the CHA) and sites on art were totally unfamiliar to us. The impression is that outside of a professional international contemporary art world there are some other art world (and probably more), which is completely self-contained and has its own criteria for success.

Art Brut (art brut - raw art), or "outsider art» (outsider art) - is an art that is created outside the existing regulatory institutions. In the 1950s, even as these institutions took shape, the French painter Jean Dubuffet admired the art and began under his stylized. Dubuffet had in mind primarily the work of the mentally ill, but we did not want to offend those who speak in this category: it is all those who - unfortunately or fortunately, there may be differences of opinion - did not realize that contemporary art is today - is primarily defined career system of institutions, which the artist has to pass from his youth ("correct" art-school) and up, in a literal or a creative sense of the grave (part of the "Documents" and solo retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art in New York ), and without precise follow the first steps will be gone.

Modern art - it is also a system rather rigid rules of etiquette, it is unclear from the side. For example: the artist himself does not have to sell their work, to show it should be written in the text of a famous critic, and even better philosopher or politician, should work intellectually, but in any case not in an emotional manner, the product should be "critical" or " provocative "nature, which would under this or understand; success - a success only in certain international institutions, a list which will delight the professional and not say anything to the uninitiated, wider audience interest does not mean anything at all, etc. If the author of these rules does not know what he looks like "naive". Sometimes he can be glorified in that capacity.

All of the former Soviet art in which so prized painting from nature, emotion, imagination, paint, love the wide audience (all that with today's "corporate" point of view slightly indecent), can be considered naive in this sense, though today it exists already in other forms, often in the form of "individual private enterprise." For us, it is interesting that this very simplicity helps with fresh eyes to look at the professional system of contemporary art, to which we belong and to determine what it lacks and what it in abundance.
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bassinda · 2012-02-01 17:14:30

No it is not al-brut. Ar-brut is primarily a work of art rather than for the purpose of exchanging money for signs. And here is actually the main goal and much more interesting than most zhivpoisi, deep secondary, calculated on the effect of recognition, "smortite ka just like a Picasso," that is, the layman may be somewhat more educated than the Arbat. Zasulaga to the author - in a good marketing course, podobrobny detailed story on numerous websites and formumah about promoting their "creativity" - attracts vnimaenie. Apparently this is what in the entertainment business is promotion. Plus respectful affectionate attitude to potential buyers. What is really there to al-brut with his fools. Somehow embarrassing for openspace that he too fell for this duochku.
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zurab · 2012-02-01 17:47:42 Tell me please, who wrote the introduction, this is also a new Gogol appeared.
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Vladimir Kaigorodov · 2012-02-01 17:53:26 agree that this is not art brut but rather decorative painting in which the furniture shops offer immediately complete with furniture. I know one of the very similar artist here, he draws and his wife - the genius of sales ... Everything is sold and it is through furniture stores. And art-brut is here for example.
My friend draws his psychosis, for 15 years and he is treated, including art therapy ...
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· 2012-02-01 19:19:08 In Moscow, there are interesting artists outside of institutions and rules of modern art, as well as institutions outside this fishery of the art "such as Catherine's Raevskaya . http://www.saatchionline.com/profile/89613 feel the difference
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bassinda · 2012-02-01 19:24:22 "contemporary art today - it's primarily a definite career, the system of institutions, which the artist has to go with youth ("right" school of art) and to, in a literal or artistic sense, the grave (part of the "Documents" and personal retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art in New York), and without precise follow the first steps will not be "

opsisannaya situation is reminiscent of a career kakog anything official, diplomat, nomenklatura
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Vladimir Kaigorodov · 2012-02-01 21:01:17 The situation described is absolutely true. all the same thing applies to modern science ... To become a professor must start with a 2 year uni has to aspire to and preprinimat quite specific steps in the correct order (as long as others also do not know anything). That is, the professors are very savvy and career-oriented, and not the most talented and enthusiastic science.

That's the art all the same ... The system has its own rules and to protect itself from intruders and invaders.
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MAREMAN · 2012-02-02 02:49:29 Revision - thanks! Sailors appreciated the joke)




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Cyril Syzran, thank you very much! I had already and did not believe that Catherine Tar publish it all. She was abroad during the show, could not do it simultaneously with the exhibition, though they liked my notes to her and she decided to publish them.
Very well, that along with my name on OpenSpeys "lit up" the mass of our artists. Openspeys - it's cool.
Now go sign up and pokommentiruyu.
To preface - yes, there is one huge art market, there are a number of separate, sometimes quite noncontiguous markets, and this concerns not only Russia but also abroad. For example, in the U.S. is a city of galleries in Caramel, California, have you ever heard about it? there own separate lives, their artists and their critics.


Thanks again to Catherine Tar-smart, open, bold-minded and unbiased person. At its apex it is on the right.
And wrote the foreword beautiful! Cool.

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Here are just now saw a hat on Openspeys that the rights to published material belongs to me and forum.artinvestment.ru :-)
If you believe the entry , the OpenSpace pro ARTinvestment.RU does not know anything and did not hear :
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mentioned in the text names, names of institutions ( except for the CHA) and sites on art were totally unfamiliar to us .



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Cyril Syzran, yes, it is written . The material was taken from my LJ site and edited and should be read to the size , so there is not my last notes , debriefing , it was only in the forum, well, I already added all of the discussion.
In the cap, indicating the rights to the material written - Sergey Kiselev and forum.artinvestment.ru. The administration can enlighten us a respected on this issue - does this mean that the rights to everything that we write on the forum are those of the AI ​​...?
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Sergey , I congratulate you on the successful holding and completion of the exhibition! Unfortunately, my trip to Moscow did not take place , so to you I have not gone . But reading your comments , as if she visited there . You are a big fellow, keep records that show how to blog . Sure, it will be very helpful , and other artists , but only to those who know how to use a computer is elementary .
Also, congratulations to sales , although I think that if prices start with $ 1,000 , many of your customers would be limited to only a preview.
I would like to add that this experience will help mainly the Moscow artists , because for visitors all your expenses are multiplied by at least 2, and by today's standards it's very heavy for an artist from another city or even country.

P.S. We are also planning an exhibition in Central House of Artists in March-April , so that your experience is invaluable for us to Sergei . So once again thank you very much , and many successes in the works !




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According to the entry , the OpenSpace pro ARTinvestment.RU did not know and had never heard :
Well, it's you too ... ( I understand that hyperbole ) OpenSpace, remember, and our manifesto published on the auction to help victims of the terrorist attack in the subway , etc. There it is, of course , is mentioned about the characters who visited the Fair. But also strange ... sound (as, indeed, the very topic ). After all, Konyshev and here Yelnitskiy and others , for example , well, after all , Catherine knows .. however, God knows . Despite all of our respect for it .

It is in vain Iksigon started all this . With such a huge commentary on the site. And the answer to all these trolls ... Well, in a strange way to spend himself ( also called a sort of " feed the trolls "). It makes no sense . Do not cross these worlds ...



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Well it's you too ...
And it's not me.

Here is a quote from the introductory article in the OpenSpace (I have highlighted):

mentioned in the text, names, names of institutions (except for the CHA) , and sites on art were completely unfamiliar to us.



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It is in vain Iksigon started all this. With such a huge commentary on the site. And the answer to all these trolls ... Well, in a strange way to spend himself (also called a sort of "feed the trolls"). It makes no sense. Do not these worlds intersect ...
  Not for nothing, I think so. It was published in the preface Openspeyse with ambiguous vkolyhnula public and gave me some kind of special status. Almost 8,000 hits is a lot more collected only stars like Sokurov, Chulpan, War. Are inscribed on the Artnau pages and pages of people, indignant preface and my reaction to it.
I am not a careful reader of this resource, but I do not remember any articles out there devoted to the artist NEkontemporari, and quite traditional modernist. T e worlds intersected.
 Trolls are trolls that Openseyse that AI, drink blood, but create traffic. Not for them because the answers are written, they are newsworthy, :-)
 And, yes, I made new friends, thanks to the OS, some people have nothing else really did not read.
 Kommersant FM was also great. TV gone away, although the material they filmed the entire transfer, but will it or not, I have decided to no longer interested-will-know, and do not - do not worry.
It is now no PR does not do, preparing for the next planned exhibitions, writing the image.
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