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The fact that this text is written in, as you say, the Orthodox Forum, does not mean that this view has anything to do with Orthodoxy. Even if the person who wrote it, considers himself an Orthodox Christian, it does not mean that it is - a kind of orthodox version of the interpretation of "Black Square". In fact, this lack of talent nonsense! And to be precise, it is a summary of the more delusional article of a James Ushakov, "The Mystery of the Black square". This article has nothing to do with a serious artistic studies. Convince yourself: THE MYSTERY OF THE BLACK SQUARE Jacob Ushakov Guess, dear reader, that before you? Wait! Do not hurry to answer. Some of you thought it was a geometrical figure in black, you can even say precisely, the square black. Take a closer look. Did not see anything else? Very strange. In this case, you are completely uneducated man, the enemy of art, an obscurantist, reactionary and, ultimately, the enemy of democracy. How can I look at this box and see nothing? Take a closer look. Can not you see that before you not just a black square, and Black Square by Malevich - the mystical secrets of the Russian (!) Avant-garde. " The mystery, which, according to many critics, "has not been disclosed until now." So why did it took to draw a square (or draw), so even this "mysterious"? We might help to understand this art critics and readers. True, I think, the mystery of this "product" must be sought not in the arts, and in the region kabbalistiki. I must say that the "great" Malevich's no art education did not receive a rose in the south of Ukraine in a small-town family and by his own admission: "No talking about the art was not. I soon learned that there is art ... and that there are artists. " That's it. Roth and his people did not know that artists do exist. Then suddenly found out and immediately decided this artist to become, and became. In fact, daub Malevich so-so, not for everybody. And people very often, were dark in the art know nothing about and could not appreciate it "works", except, of course, the progressive intellectuals. To stir up the dark minds, the artist and his associates not only took up his brush, but a pen, in order to write an explanation to his own, so to speak, linens. From under the brush "art" grew artistic styles. One another wiser - Rayonism, Suprematism, analytical skill. After all, their "art" required justification. But it is very difficult to justify the fact that, in principle, and he can not articulate. Only one solution - with even greater energy powdered brains, like so: "the highest and complex construction can be considered a product, which in his body does not have any form of existing (Malevich). Got it? Not really? I told you that you are uneducated and obscurantist cleric.
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Malevich never contrasted himself only "the Russian fine art in general." He was a futurist, and saw himself in a number of others like it, nisprovergateley outdated (as he believed) art forms. He considered himself a colleague of Van Gogh, Cezanne, Picasso, Marinetti. He saw himself as part of the of the global process of updating the arts, the discoverer of new horizons. It is strange that the author of this text tries to oppose it Malevich Russian fine art and even in the whole of which he is. There is a clear semantic substitution. I wonder why? Why was it necessary to "pull" from the context of Russian Malevich's art? Последний раз редактировалось Тютчев; 19.12.2010 в 20:07. |
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Knowing that from the man in the street there is confusion in determining the merits, the works of art, titled "The Black Square by Kazimir Malevich Severinovich, I did not dare to think that this problem - a problem misunderstanding "in the same way as applies to the entire creative community. To those who to listen. Whose opinion of many is not prorekaemoy, authoritative truth. The only excuse perpetuated the view is not available, a simple and universal, understanding of all the work done by Malevich , at "creating" Black Square "can only be" PR. "desire to appeal to preserve an aura of mystery. The significance of" Black Square "and the impact generated from his system of Suprematism in art culture written many articles, been many studies. A. Benoit, a contemporary of Malevich, painter, art critic, wrote: "Black box white frame - it's not just a joke, not an easy call, not a random little epizodik that occurred in a house on the Campus Martius, and this is one of the acts of self-affirmation of the principle which has its own name and the abomination of desolation which flaunts the fact that it through pride, through pride, through the denial of all loving and gentle, will lead all to ruin. " Following a critical assessment of the maestro, many "leaders" of culture, swaggering bulging their superiority, were spread all that did not fit the image they create the cultural environment, which is often in doubt, bordering on pseudo-culture and psevdoiskusstvom. With the advent of Malevich, how afraid are those who shaped and formed the image of salon painting? Since the phenomenon of "Black Square", they realized was the end of their emotion, calculated on the average man, philosophy mermaids and rugs with swans. These facts - a direct assault on their material well-being. Greed, anger, hatred, and the levers of power, all were involved to how quickly people have forgotten about this product. To almost one hundred years, people did not understand what happened. Understanding the dignity of the Black Square "is easy to assess any creative works, evaluate the merits of the author. Attach himself to the art of perfectly aware of their limitations and potentialities of "hang noodles on ears gullible townsfolk. If the demands of society to assess the merits of works of art and their authors will rise, artificial stars with different kinds of plants will be ordinary Christmas decorations. But in order to, raise these claims must be willing to refuse to be cattle. Malevich wrote "Black Square" gave all the available opportunity to understand the art and development trends. Kazimir Malevich - the name of more than significant in the history of modern art. It is a symbol and banner of the avant-garde art. On his theoretical studies link virtually all areas of modern art, his "Black Square" concentrates in itself all the unseen than the full spiritual quests of the authors and researchers of the aesthetic world of today. Name Malevich nominated today as the foundation of a new, modern direction of art criticism, cultural and even philosophical thought, direction, full of extraordinary depth and significance. All this has become absolute, the axiom that does not require any proof. Knowledge, which could not disagree, in which shame and doubt are simply indecent to discuss. " Последний раз редактировалось Ylot; 17.01.2011 в 01:12. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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End of misadventures "Black Square»
El Lissitzky belongs to a philosophical argument, is providing even the so-called fourth covenant. We present this idea, again associated with the name of Malevich: "... and if today's communism, which put the ruler work, and Suprematism, who submitted the square creativity go together, then further movement of communism must be left behind, as Suprematism, covering all his life, will bring All of the domination of labor, domination beating heart, frees all in the works, and bring peace to the perfection of pure action. This action can we expect from Kazimir Malevich. BACKGROUND WHY and HOW it became necessary to "take up the pen? Being a professional artist knowing that from the man in the street there is confusion in determining the merits, the works of art, titled "The Black Square by Kazimir Malevich Severinovich, I did not dare to think that this problem - a problem of misunderstanding" in the same measure applies to the entire creative community. To those who to listen. Whose opinion of many is not prorekaemoy, authoritative truth. The only excuse perpetuated the view is not available, a simple and universal, understanding of all the work done by Kazimir Malevich, for "creating" "Black Square" can only be a "public relations". The desire to preserve the attractiveness of a halo of mystery. The significance of "Black Square" and the impact generated from its system of Suprematism in art culture written many articles, been many studies. A. Benoit, a contemporary of Malevich, painter, art critic, wrote: "Black box white frame - it's not just a joke, not an easy call, not a random little epizodik that occurred in a house on the Campus Martius, and this is one of the acts of self-affirmation of the principle which has its own name and the abomination of desolation which flaunts the fact that it through pride, through pride, through the denial of all loving and gentle, will lead all to ruin. " Following a critical assessment of the maestro, many "leaders" of culture, swaggering bulging their superiority, were spread all that did not fit the image they create the cultural environment, which is often in doubt, bordering on pseudo-culture and psevdoiskusstvom. With the advent of Malevich, how afraid are those who shaped and formed the image of salon painting? Since the phenomenon of "Black Square", they realized was the end of their emotion, calculated on the average man, philosophy mermaids and rugs with swans. These facts - a direct assault on their material well-being. [SPOILER] Greed, anger, hatred, and the levers of power, all were involved to how quickly people have forgotten about this product. To almost one hundred years, people did not understand what happened. Understanding the dignity of the Black Square "is easy to assess any creative works, evaluate the merits of the author. Attach himself to the art of perfectly aware of their limitations and potentialities of "hang noodles on ears gullible townsfolk. If the demands of society to assess the merits of works of art and their authors will rise, artificial stars with different kinds of plants will be ordinary Christmas decorations. But in order to, raise these claims must be willing to refuse to be cattle. Malevich wrote "Black Square" gave all the available opportunity to understand the art and development trends. I was angered a number of estimates in respect of "Black Square", the data in the media, by some, respected by me, and representatives of culture: N. Mikhalkov, T. Tolstoy, A. Yevtushenko, A. Shilov, M. Shemyakin, etc. Answering a direct question about the dignity of the Black Square, they allowed themselves to be taken lightly creativity of their colleagues, to humiliate him in the face of people who are naturally interested in the opinions of their "idols". They do not have the courage to confess his ignorance of evaluating the work. Malevich himself in his article "The axis of the color and size", preventing attacks against critics shrewdly replied to them and present spiteful critics: "... Attitude on their part was the most devastating in the art, as well as in the lives of artists. Limitations, unconsciousness, cowardice prevented (prevented) them well look and embrace the entire horizon of running and growing art of reincarnation. How to build the king's bailiffs and officials from the culture treated (are) going to the idea of the creative arts, as well booed (boo) refined intellectuals, public opinion, which is headed by a sophisticated media Gikalo (boom) for all creative and innovative. Creativity of the innovators was driven conditions created by these sophisticated connoisseurs of cool loft in squalid workshops and a "pioneering" waiting (waiting) fate, put on fate. And if, after best efforts could (can) go out with revolutionary products, we met (meet) with curses, insults, whoop and derision. Only the old well, crying (cry) from all sides ... So characterized (characterized) are all ... that is still in cultural institutions swaddle their nests, exposing the old hard for the great altar of truth, that young people should bow down and believe ... But where is the scientific art museologists (professional critics), where their scientific value, where their art where their understanding, or they are in force, and scientific concepts not found in the artistic innovators or value of the phenomenon ...? They have set the time as a barometer of understanding. When the product lay in an ugly, untalented minds of public opinion a solid number of years, is not eaten the product but made greasy saliva society ... It is recognized ... Already at the beginning of X /X century artist struggled with lusty - depraved stuff "in art. I'm just dealing with young people early twentieth /century, watched in horror "picture" of materialism, rudeness and corruption imposed on them through the new communication tools. Emasculation of their brains very idea of philosophical - harmonious consciousness and beauty of life, not carnal, "lusty, lascivious" sensations. Special jealousy grips me every time in contact with those problems whose solution the great Russian painter Kazimir Malevich Severinovich, dedicated his life. Minimization of art and bring it to perfection by all means - a great creative purpose. In one of the Vitebsk letters Malevich wrote: - "The output is another issue of Suprematist quadrilateral (preferably square), which would have to stay who he is and what it is, no one thought about it, so I am busy gazing the mystery of his black space, which has some form of a new face Suprematist world, he lifted him into the spirit of creating, ... I see in this is that once people saw in the face of God, and all of nature captured his image of God in the guise of similar to human, but if someone from antiquity has penetrated into the mysterious black square face, maybe he would see what I see in him. " Arisen anger when professionals, one after another giving a critical assessment of the picture without thinking about what their views are listened to, made me write this work. I chose and read the materials: - Textbooks, special and "nonspecial" literature; - Delved into the publication of the Internet, and this is a problem isolated to the Internet; - Listened to the presentation of the issue of specialists in cultural and artistic environment; - Contrasted described and heard an idea of the painting "Black Square" with his own understanding and did not find a match with my thoughts. It became clear that there is clear and obvious lack of understanding, and in rare cases, misunderstandings or creative merit, KS Malevich, nor the dignity of work titled "Black Square", nor the values of the generalized occurrence of this phenomenon in the visual arts. With the accumulation of information is opinion only intensified. Researchers art of Malevich in his articles and scientific studies relying solely on the emotional perception, consider, criticize discussing - impose a misconception about the "Black Square". If they are not correctly or not correctly identified until the end of the creative merits of this picture, all subsequent arguments are almost no scientific value is not present. Art historians, students, and Malevich himself, trying to describe the picture, could not answer the questions - How? and Why? How? The process of creating paintings. Why? It is these values are the criteria for the dignity of every work. Malevich, creating a "Black Square", did not immediately realize the seriousness of the events of what he wrote: "What is it? Or a black hole, or this may be something to grow? ". As noted scholar of Malevich, AS Shatskikh: - "K" Black Square "Malevich came through philosophical understanding of the world .... When there was a black rectangle, he could neither eat nor sleep for a week. Such an important event was the painting in his work. He went to her for many years. It was the culmination of his work, his synthesis of painting, sculpture, decorative arts, and his philosophical speculations. " This phenomenon - the merit of a particular mindset, the presence of charisma and great diligence of the author. Malevich wrote: "Black Square" encompasses all the pictorial representations that existed prior to that, he closes the path of naturalistic simulation, it is present as an absolute form and told the art in which the free forms - unrelated or related - make sense of the picture. " The researchers note: "According to students of the square rose a new world, alive and joyful. Gathered around the square, KS Malevich new people, the generation of the future, about which they dreamed. " For the first time, painting "Black Square" appeared in Petrograd, at "0.10" (zero - ten) on 17 December 1915.Po approval of the artist, he wrote her a few months. One of the first paintings by Malevich called "quadrangle" and another - "a black square on a white background, and finally, the final name -" Black Square ", not the constitutive relation to the white canvas. In what the reader should become clear why Malevich could not immediately determine the name of the painting. Listening and looking more closely to general reasoning on the subject of this painting, I was amused the imagination and literary skill of the people calling themselves experts in the field of art: T. Fat: "Such work by virtue of any draftsman - and Malevich in his youth worked as a draftsman - but draftsmen are not interested in such a simple geometric shapes. A similar picture could be drawn Mentally ill - so that's not painted, and if painted, it is unlikely that it would have the slightest chance to get to the exhibition at the right time and right place ". N. Semchenko: "What is the merit and innovation Malevich? Malevich first exhibited draw a square as a work of fine art. It is a fact. But the meaning of the event lies in the fact that it has no no relation to art itself, and assume Kazimir Malevich's a great artist in any way possible. " ... Nominated in 2005 for the Booker novel Petersburger Sergei Nosov's "Rooks flew": One of the characters reveals that the square of Malevich - only just a square, with no hidden meanings. Dear reader might ask me, not too big opinion of himself is the author? I do not ironic in relation to professional art critics? Yes! That's what I want to emphasize. For me, Malevich is not an idol, but it is impossible not to pay tribute to his genius. Without the knowledge of his achievements and legacy, no development of art in general. And when I am with his work familiar people who know many obscure words that finally makes it impossible even in something to understand, speak and write about everything except the fact - I am disgusted. Read this nonsense is not possible: T. Fat: "It should be noted that in several works by Malevich created immediately before the opening of Suprematism, suddenly begins to tendency to the monumental significance and to human experience, makes his way through the avant-garde style. " T. Fat: "Doing this simple operation, Malevich was the author of the most famous, the most enigmatic, the most frightening picture of the world - "Black Square". Easy movement of the wrist he had once and for all impassable line, outlined the gulf ... between a man and his shadow, between a rose and a coffin, between life and death, between God and The devil. In his own words, he "brought everything to zero." Zero for some reason turned out to be a square, and this simple discovery - one of the most terrible events in the arts in its history existence ". T. Fat: "I have the number of" expert "to" modern art "in one of funds in Russia, which exists in American money. We bring "art projects", and we must decide to give or withhold funds for their implementation. Together with me in advisory council working real experts in the "old" to-square art connoisseurs. All of us can not bear the square and the affirmation of the beginning which has its own name the abomination of desolation ". But we have and Projects are another abomination of desolation, abomination and only nothing else. We must spend the allocated money for us, otherwise the fund will be closed. And he (the Fund) feeds are too many of our poor country. We tried ... ". Appreciating and realizing that my idea of "Black Square" more justified than that - which is cultivated in a society, I wrote this work, and my thoughts shared with you. This work pretends to be the only one, the most complete and sound reporting dignity paintings of Malevich's Black Square. Alignment of Malevich and mine. Kazimir Malevich - the name of more than significant in the history of modern art. " "It is a symbol and banner of the avant-garde art." "In his theoretical studies link virtually all areas of modern art ..." Black Square "concentrates in itself all the unseen than the full spiritual quests of the authors and researchers of the aesthetic world of modernity." Name Malevich nominated today as the foundation of a new, modern direction of art criticism, cultural and even philosophical thought, direction, full of extraordinary depth and significance. " "All this has become absolute, the axiom that does not require any proof, knowing with whom it is impossible not to agree, in which shame and doubt is simply indecent to discuss." N. Semchenko and "K" Dignity of the person who created a painting titled "Black Square", for centuries will glorify all those who even in the slightest degree tends to global excellence. Malevich, "... obviously, is a great innovator, who made the discovery of fundamental importance for technological civilization of the twentieth century." N. Semchenko and "K". The purpose for which I picked up a pen, a desire to explain - how? from the perspective of the artist could be this painting. THE HISTORICAL PROCESS The search process is perfect. In the story, creating material and spiritual values, a person contributes to the progressive development of society. As a result of this activity is the product of labor: - Tools: stick, crystal axes, guns, cars, tips, handles for spears, stone axes, knives and harpoons to catch fish, hammers, etc.; - Household items: utensils, clothes, furniture, books, etc.; - Structure menhirs, dolmens dolmen at Stonehenge, a temple "Basil." Getting to know yourself, the results of their work, the person develops their own understanding of the universe. For posterity are the values that enhance his perception of the world. Worldview (Weltanschauung), a system of generalized view of the world and man's place in it, the attitude of people towards their surrounding reality and to themselves, and due to these perceptions of their beliefs, ideals, principles, knowledge and activity. There are three main types of vision: everyday (everyday) world view, which reflects the view of common sense, traditional views about the world and man, a religious worldview that is associated with recognition of the supernatural world began, philosophical outlook, which summarized the experience of spiritual and practical development of the world. On the basis of rational thinking culture philosophy produces new ideological orientation. The media world - a personality and social groups perceived reality through the prism of a particular belief system. Has great practical significance, affecting the norms of behavior, life aspirations, interests, work and life of people. (Encyclopedic reference) These values are, and visual art: - Rock paintings; - Architecture; - Painting. Among the variety of personalities in the history remains the one who brought something new and significant for the realization of human essence: Thinkers: - Socrates; - Galileo Galilei; - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire. Writers: - William Shakespeare; - Leo Tolstoy; - Fyodor Dostoevsky. Artists: - Raphael; - Leonardo da Vinci; - Kazimir Malevich. Musicians: - Johann Sebastian Bach; - Ludwig van Beethoven; - Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky. Scientists: - Lomonosov, Mikhail Vasilyevich; - Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleyev; - Andrei D. Sakharov. Improve the already achieved: - Balloon; - Airship; - Helicopter; - Aircraft; - Missile Launcher; - Spaceship. All the rest is absorbed by time. Search ideals. In search of the perfect man seeks to determine the "best": - The best figure ... ... ... ... ... - Venus Tauride; - The best hunter. ... ... ... ... ... - Perov, "On a halt; - The best product ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .... - Feberzhe; - The best singer ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .- Elvis Presley; - Best Solicitor ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... - A. Makarevich; and so on. As in all other areas of human activity in the visual arts is the process of finding the best work of art. Search product that would meet the requirements of perfection - "ideal". If you can prove that Malevich has created the most perfect work of fine art, and an ideal can not be perfect, thus we are rehabilitating his merit in the eyes of the uninformed. Wanting to save operating time of mental and physical labor, human nature, in any way, to record their thoughts. Write, sketch or paint in the amount of acquired knowledge: - In science ...: - In the painting ...: - In sculpture, ...: - In architecture ...: Comparing some achievements with others, creating new, more perfect specimens. Goals from the best to choose better. THE PROCESS OF CREATION OF MAN-MADE MIRACLE By the beginning of the twentieth century in the field of fine art have been solved, most consciously set out to artists, goals and objectives, the problems that artists face in their creative activities. Are open and successfully used the basic laws of creation, including a painting: Here are some of them. PAINTINGS: - Law of Beauty - "GOLDEN SECTION"; - The laws of light and shade; - The laws of color; - The laws of plastics; - The laws of perspective; - Statics and dynamics, etc. COMPOSITION: - The law of the unity of content and form; - The law of integrity; - The law of typing; - The law of contrasts; - The law of novelty; - The law of subordination of all the laws and resources ideological composition of the plan; - The law of vitality; - The law of effect "frame" on the track images on the plane, etc. Recognized and adequately used by artists of the past developments, conceived and developed "Modernism," including the "Avant" and "Suprematism", as his form. "Malevich - irrationalists believed that the newest scenic course can be studied through rational scientific tools. Experimental tests and research should have been, in his opinion, obviously reveal how art evolved. " Alexandra Shatskih - Kazimir Malevich - writer and thinker " GOAL AND ACHIEVEMENT In the late XIX-early XX centuries, following the evolutionary process of social development, the creative ambition of artists forced to set the original, challenging, goals and objectives. However, after nearly a century of current artists and art, endowed with proper education and knowledge in the arts, continues to suffer from the problems of the past centuries, wanting to take the evolution of creativity as a non-breaking process. This perception is indeed slowly evolving art, but mostly it improves achievement, already known, the study and hinders progress. Prevents, hinders look at the achievements of the parties and assess the achievements of "today" day. They hardly refuse to "plagiarism" and academic heritage. Assessing the clear, learned, well-known it is easier to express themselves, to manipulate verbal "gobbledygook" to compete in the intellect. In no event do not want to specifically edit the work of distinguished researchers and analysts art of Malevich, A. Shatskih, D. Sarabyanova, N. Semchenko unfamiliar with the company, and accidentally trapped here Tatyana Tolstoy, who considers it his duty to speak about the topic in the understanding where there are problems, but I have to based on their performance to justify its performance. The greatest regret I have is lack of understanding of the merits of Malevich by Shemyakin and Shilov. From an interview with Mikhail Shemyakin RFE /RL 01.12.2005: "... This coffin plate, which pushes people ... That's just this deathly plate turned into a huge square of Malevich, which presses the modern Russian artists. "... Yes, it is interesting from the standpoint of psychiatry is ...." Personally, I was about them a better opinion. D. Sarabyanov said: "It was a risky move to that position, which puts the person in the face of anything and everything." A later generation of contrast, does not fully or at all, do not account for developments of the past. All this leads to "creative lawlessness, which in most cases leads to primitivism. In the early twentieth century, a young man in the prime of his creative powers, participating actively and imitating the latest trends and directions in art, could not be seen among their colleagues. "It sometimes happens that when we first met with the man did not get him any sympathy, he does not like, but when you live with it, enjoy it. And in another case. Some ideas are not accepted, but if you live with them under their constant talking, they become acceptable, so it is with artists, when they do not like the style, but working on it, starts to like - then the feeling will love and will create an image. " "Treatises and theoretical writings. Kazimir Malevich. Destination search Living, communicating and working in the midst of an active creative community of Russia of his time, Malevich, like other young artists, was a long time before the fact finding and life choices. In this interval of his life "provincial young man, he studied: He studied at the agricultural college, but showed early interest in drawing. . At seventeen years of age Kazimierz visited Kiev drawing school NI Murashko. Since 1896 he and his family lives and works in the same town. Together with local artists, organized by amateur art circle. Since 1905. in 1907. Malevich made three unsuccessful attempts to enter the Moscow School of Painting, Sculpture and Architecture. This means that all this time, he was preparing to enroll in one of the best artistic educational institutions of Russia was in a "creative science". The latest (1907 - 1910 years) educational stage Malevich were school-studio of Ivan Rerberg, one of the founders of the Moscow Association of Artists. Worked for some time in Moscow. "The whole era, and a full technical and political transformations, imperiously dictating the emergence of a new attitude to the beautiful." "At an early age the future futurist went through a period of fascination I. Repin and Shishkin and copied the good works of Russian classics. He fully worked professionally in the field of realistic painting, and during World War I created a brilliant propaganda cartoons against the Kaiser's army. No abstraction in these works there. There were no signs of contact with the supernatural. " Quotes from the Internet. Originality of thinking makes the artist's "not thinking" researchers of Malevich give superficial responses, which take on depth of understanding in finding creative ways and in choosing targets. "... In this respect, the work of Malevich ... it seems to redraw the provincial capital of the magazine or the fruit of imagination inexperienced amateur, after watching various paintings in the exhibitions." DV Sarabyanov. "We do not dwell on the early works of the artist, when he tried his hand at a primitive art when he" ... switched to the naturalistic school, went to Repin and Shishkin, "he was fond of Impressionism, Art Nouveau elements, sezanizma, Cubism, Fauvism , symbolism - all attempts of external borrowing other people's stylistic systems, which can be regarded as a school exercise is an artist " The question arises of who "we"? N. Semchenko and "K". "And once it becomes apparent that attempts to Malevich's approach to skill Shishkin, Repin, Ingres, or will never be realized simply because it requires to be able to draw. A little easier to imitate Cubists and the Futurists. Here serious skill is no longer required, rather daring and pressure, which Malevich had in full measure. " Who becomes obvious? N. Semchenko and "K". "What we can admire in this questionable provincial chic? For example, a picture of "The Cow and the Violin" (1913. RM). Of course, everyone understood the absurdity of this comparison, and all visible professional helplessness of the author and cow, and a violin. And what is this wonderful? " Who is understandable? N. Semchenko and "K". Mastering the skill of the Great Painters Malevich, nearer to the understanding of art. Coming to realize the importance of setting the correct, new goals in art. Studying the heritage and artistic techniques. Set himself, the amateur painter, harder tasks and solve them. Is that enough to become a "Shishkin"? His creative passion is well traced by studying the biography, literary heritage and paintings. It becomes clear how hard and creatively - it is painful, "was selected" to the main purpose of his work. "Humanity is moving through the signs, each sign carries a certain degree of ascent motion unsigned not valid." So Malevich wrote in one of his notebooks (private collection, p.164, turnover). It is this phrase has sent investigators creative legacy of Malevich in the wrong direction. The concept of "sign", they are not perceived as a phenomenon, the message, and just as a simplified symbol. Malevich thought the same about the ... - a friend. The aim was to find the image and the shape of the artwork, which is responding to the laws of creation was close to the notion of an ideal scenic pictures. It is known that the main criterion for evaluating the aesthetic qualities of phenomena and objects of the world is visual perception. The knowledge gained from the study of science, history and development of fine arts, aesthetics, ethics, etc., associated with the knowledge of the beautiful and the search for ideals. If the product of all applicable laws of creativity in the best performance, this product is called ideal. Purpose: - create a professionally-competent product realistic art, based on the known at the time the laws of painting and physiological features of perception of its man. Possessing professional knowledge and creative skills, Malevich decided to create a piece of realistic art depicted the object of which is the simple geometric shapes - a flat square, "painted" a uniform color, devoid of directional lighting, that is uniformly illuminated, white flat background. In this case, the object must be in the center of the canvas and its demonstration center should be perpendicular to the point of view. By creating such a work the artist would have been obliged to use the maximum of the laws, which enjoyed, was obliged to use or consider in their work every well-trained, competent artist. When, in the minds of Malevich was determined idea, began searching for opportunities for its implementation. According to Malevich: "in" Supremacist mirror "all the phenomena of the world reduced to zero." As noted by A. Shatskih: "" Black Square "embodies the idea of a new spirituality, a kind of icon, a plastic symbol of a new religion ... Phenomenon of this painting the artist has opened a new Comprehensive Utopia "non-objective world" that made him keenly feel my calling. For him, from the outset it was obvious that the "Black Square" is not given to him, and asked if pereinachit known formulation Neo Hermann Cohen. For many years, Malevich sought to understand and put into words the meaning of his main work ". (A. Shatskih, pp. With. 11, 15, 17). Artists of the past generations have found the solution of problems related to the creation pattern. Decided on the composition, the proportions, lighting, vision, movement. Patterns and trends, technical capabilities, techniques of painting, etc. Impressionists most successfully addressed the problems of perception of color and lighting effects. As a result of successful achievement by Malevich, the artist would appear possible, concentrated, focused, informed, expanded search for new paths and directions in the development of art. This work became the starting point for all future generations of artists. I would call "Black Square" - "Primer painting." Would have spent analogical comparison with the D. Mendeleev table "or" gamut "in music. Owning the alphabet, being able to use it, you can begin to consciously "create", and there too whom God has given. Those creative issues that were not directly solve the "black box", are easily explained from the perspective of this work. Features of human physiology. Pay attention to the imperfection of human sight. Human eye (vision) - the process of psycho-physiological imaging facilities around the world, carried out by the visual system. vision. GENERAL INFORMATION "Because of the large number of stages in the process of visual perception of its individual characteristics are considered in terms of different sciences - optics, psychology, physiology, and chemistry. At each stage of perception there are distortions, mistakes, failures, but the human brain processes the information received and make the necessary adjustments. These processes are unconscious in nature and are implemented in a tiered autonomous correction of distortions. This sets the spherical and chromatic aberration, the effects of blind spots, to color, formed a high-quality stereoscopic image, etc. In cases where the unconscious processing of information is inadequate or excessive, there are optical illusions. " Nobel Peace Prize in 1981. David Hyubl and Torsten Vayzel, "Astrofilosofiya. "To this day, not solved the problem of overcoming the boundaries between the physical laws, organizes the work of the physical apparatus of perception, and the emergence of mental phenomena:" No theory Young-Helmholtz theory of Hering or can not fully explain how the signals are converted into thinking the image of an object ". Tonkvist, 1983. man can not actually see the "flat", "black", "square». 1. Instead of geometrically regular square human vision perceives (sees) horizontally elongated rectangle. 2. Instead of flat square man sees biconvex surround rectangle with straight or reverse perspective. 3. Instead of black - the human eye will perceive unevenly shaded plane. To Malevich, the artists knew the problems associated with the imperfection of human vision: "It is particularly intense tsvetovedcheskie scientific disciplines began to develop in the twentieth century. That is connected with the development of industrial production of aniline dyes, color photography and television. At the root of modern representatives of the perception of color are truly famous names: Mikhail Lomonosov (1711-1765), T. Jung (1773-1829), G. Fechner (1801-1887), H. Helmholtz (1821-1849), Dzh.Maksvell (1831-1879), E. Hering (1834-1918). However, the theoretical basis of most of these subjects were laid in the early eighteenth century. " Doctor of Psychology, PV Yanshin, "Psychology and Psychosemantics color." 1.Iz science, we know that a person sees worse than animals and insects. 2.Sektor view the perceived view of the man is approximately equal to -27 *; 3.Obekt with an angular coverage of 90 *, 180 * 360 * people can see at: a) The transfer of pupils; b) at the turn of neck; c) turning the torso; d) at the turn on his feet; e) for specular reflection. (This topic, I do not consider going for a long time otherwise distracted from the main). Using this knowledge in their work, artists have not thought about the problem of the vision, perception, may be subject to primary creative purpose. Malevich was lucky, he saw the purpose of creative expression in solving problems related to the peculiarities of human perception .. In my opinion, Malevich had an extraordinary vision. Perhaps he had a problem with it. And to all, he talked a long time with blind mother, whom he loved very much. This helped him in the selection of targets and the formulation of creative tasks. Malevich, solving the problem of imperfections in visual perception, and perception of visual art through the senses, I decided the most difficult problem - the problem of creativity. Setting and solving creative problems. Towards the goal there were multiple creative tasks, a decision which took Malevich. Find, choose, justify, and make, a professional society, unreservedly agree with the choice of the optimal size of the canvas on which to begin the process of creation. To solve this problem must take into account all that is been developed by the time the scientific and practical way in this direction. Select object: "" Black Square "- Malevich created in order to put it on exhibition. The square appears for the first time in Petrograd, on "The Last Futurist Exhibition" 0.10 "(zero - ten) December 17, 1915, (in the directory for the number 39 called" quadrilateral "). It is visible in the famous photo, and takes pride of place in the "red corner" as an icon. This first box was purchased in 1918-1919 Department of Fine Arts Narcompros, the procurement committee chaired by Wassily Kandinsky. (From art history sources) Now, putting purpose and size of the canvas, to answer the question "How?" Malevich created his "Black Square". Objective 1. Depict the square on the plane. In the process of the artist confronted with a complexity that requires encyclopedic knowledge and individual expertise. In a geometrically perfect square image on the plane, a person sees horizontally elongated rectangle. This is due to imperfections (especially), the human eye. Since man is unable to perceive the rectangle with equal sides as a square, Malevich had to change the proportions of geometrically regular square so that the visually perceived by the square looked like a "square". Malevich merit lies in the fact that by means of visual deception by increasing the vertical sides of the square and portray them concave, force the viewer to see in a rectangle - square, rather than horizontally elongated "barrel." The difficulty is that these changes are nothing but personal experience is not determined. The main stream of witnesses who were lucky enough to see this work, claim that they saw a square. For more convincing, this image is triggered name picture - "Black Square". In psychological terms Malevich can not question the basic mathematical features of the author, and makes the viewer seen in a rectangle, a geometrically perfect square. Conclusion - 1: Malevich forced the viewer to perceive the rectangle is square. Nevertheless, the task he coped. Objective 2. In the desired "square" (white canvas), write in a different box - black. To solve this problem the author has done all the tighter the manipulation that has been done previously, only the color of the rectangle - black. Complexity - in the choice of the proportional relationship between the square-canvas "and inscribed in his black square. Using knowledge of the mathematical value of proportions "Golden Section", to calculate these relations is simple. Conclusion - 2: Malevich possessed knowledge of the "Law of Beauty" and knew how to use it. Objective 3. Align encyclopedic knowledge and the imperfection of human visual perception. We know that people perceive black and white is not unique. The experiment: - take two geometrically equal to the square - one of them will cover the black paint. At the same time looking at them, we see that the black box will appear less white. This effect is imperfect vision, Malevich had to take into account when determining the proportions of the two "squares". To solve this problem, the artist can experiment with the deliberately distorting the meaning of "golden section", using the knowledge, talent and charisma, achieving a harmonious and ideal relationship between the specified rectangle. As correctly noted by one of the researchers of the artist - not the material side of a beautiful product, and refined stage of spiritual process in this case, is the idea of Malevich's over "Black Square". Conclusion - 3: Applying the knowledge and talent - Malevich did. Experimental means were found those harmonious relations between the rectangles, which can be called "ideal". Reflecting on the solution of this problem, the reader can decide the question arises - why? "Black Square" the artist is not copied, not copied, and repeated throughout life. Objective 4. Enter into the center of the desired "square" (canvas) - fit. If we draw a diagonal in both the square and combine the points, we see that the inscribed rectangle is perceived below the geometric center. To solve this problem, Malevich was shifted along the vertical axis of the geometric center of the fit "square", placing it above the geometric center of the canvas, so as to fit a black square is visually perceived in the center of the canvas. Distance between centers - is also the subject of a complex artistic, emotional search. This knowledge used by the majority of artists - portrait painters in the choice of options compositional portrait. Conclusion - 4: And with this task Malevich managed. Problem 5. View box on the "laws of perspective." Painting is called "Black Square" is not accidental. The author has not called her a black square in the white square. One of the first paintings by Malevich called "quadrilateral". In one of the Vitebsk letters Malevich wrote: - "The output is another issue of Suprematist quadrangle ..." A. Benoit, a contemporary of Malevich, painter, art critic, wrote: - "Black square in white frame" Form of white bases can not be square, since according to the laws of perspective, the two parallel sides of the canvas to appear straight vertical sides, must have a concave shape. Changing the shape of the canvas - a mechanical process not related to the painting. Malevich, moving towards the goal, greatly simplifies the possibility of outsiders, side tasks, distracting from the main solutions - to depict a flat, black, square, in ideal proportions, on a white background. And the area of the canvas and the area of the black square should be in perfect relationship to each other and to the great possibilities of human perception. Therefore, the area of the canvas, we can not take the square and the purpose of bringing it to the visual perception of the square was not posed. As for the perception of the black square - is a matter of basic purpose. Since any point, receding from the X-axis, up or down takes Properties perspective reduction, and the sides of the square Ae - Cm and EB - mD relative to the point of view 0, away from the x-axis, when visual perception tends to converge at one point on the horizon, Malevich changed the shape of the line AEB on AsB, and SmD on CnD. Removes the effect of perspective, distorting the shape of a square. Distances ES and nm - the creative process, being built on the sensations. Conclusion - 5: The artist makes the viewer perceive the sides AB and CD - straight and figure ASDB - square. Problem 6. With knowledge of the Laws of painting "clean air, forward and reverse perspective. It is known that at the boundary of two contrasting colors for which there is the effect of light color, visually perceived lighter and darker - darker. To remove this effect, the artist must use the skill of the artist as a painter. By mixing different colors to write off the borders of contrasting colors so that the viewer had no doubts about the uniformity of color - black and white. While writing the "Black Square", perceptions of the computer resolution and filters, did not exist, but in practice, to give the plane uniformity of color artists use various techniques: - Change the size and shape of the brush; - Alter the shape and size of the brush strokes; - In various combinations, changing the tone color; - Apply "filters" - liserovki (letter translucent colors different shades over the base color, adding color in the perception of nobility); - Etc. Is feasibly only a very good painter. These qualities possessed by many great artists. A virtuoso of such methods was Leonardo da Vinci. In Impressionism, this technique is the basis of the method. Conclusion - 6: Malevich with this problem, too, coped. Task 7. Clear prospects arise during the demonstration paintings. In the process of examining a work of art necessarily raises issues related to spatial perception. With the law of perception, we are confronted on a daily basis: - Examining the exhibits in museums; - Choosing a comfortable place for watching TV; - Buying tickets to seats in the theater or stadium, etc. Upset if they are inconvenient for the full perception of the spectacle. Optimally convenient distance for the perception of a person is considered to be a distance equal to about three diagonals of the object, which we consider: - TV; - Computer; - Book; - Picture and approximately equal to the most favorable perception of average person, approaching the ideal characteristics. This knowledge has led the author to the "golden proportion". Artists deal with this problem every time they start a new job with nature. Students "fight", wanting to take the most convenient place in the audience, before staging. Malevich, knowing what work he has done, working on the creation of "Black Square" understood that under the laws of the creation of exhibitions, works of this kind should be posted a little above the horizon level, ie above the line parallel to the floor, through the pupil center audience. That means if so, hung his picture, the center of the square, would be placed above the line of sight (even slightly), and the viewer would have to show pictures of a little lift up his head. Moreover, by the laws of perspective, parallel side lines of the square would become the property of parallel lines and sought to come together at one point on the horizon line, located above the level of vision. Thus, the viewer would not see again a square, would not see "Miracle". MIRACLE effect can occur only one who has the angle of view is perpendicular to the center of the picture and the distance to the pattern will match the "golden proportion" in relation to the size of the canvas. "Black box" has only one single point from which the viewer can perceive it as a "miracle." Malevich solving this problem. Itself is an exposition of his works and hangs "Black Square" in the corner at an angle to the viewer as an icon, so - thus removes the effect of education is not required to show prospects. Therefore, now referred to as an icon! Malevich himself described the painting as - "Nude unframed icon of my time." The Spectator, a limited ability to maneuver in front of a painting located in a corner of the showroom, found that the optimum point from which "Black Square", in conjunction with other people's feelings, perceived as a "miracle." Conclusion: - may effect the perception of a miracle. Under normal circumstances, this person can not see. Distorted object does not affect the senses of perception, it is commonplace, this is a lot of range. Based on the above said, you can make one conclusion: - none since Malevich, in the movie titled "Black Square" miracle never seen before. Hear - heard but not seen. And now, showing her as an ordinary picture, the audience deprived of perception "miracle." 28. 01.2008g. In January-February 2008, presenting a picture at an exhibition in Paris - the French had been deceived. Demonstrating the "Black Square", as an ordinary picture - anyway, that take a miracle and blindfolded, not giving him a look. Anyway, that make travel to the valley and the Giza pyramids to talk about - looking at pictures in the album. Then why move it? Malevich, at an exhibition in 1915 "0.10" and the exhibits at the landmark exhibition in 2004 and the Warsaw Gallery Zacheta "," Warsaw - Moscow, 1900 - 2000 "," Square "from the Tretyakov Gallery was presented as the centerpiece of the exhibition. At the same time posted in the "red corner". Not clear idea of the organizers and hosts of the picture: - Either a formal imitation of Malevich? - Or come to the realization of the importance of a special demonstration of painting? From 8 November to 4 December 2005, the Tretyakov Gallery, the exhibition of graphics by contemporary artists from Central and Eastern Europe - "The meaning of life - the meaning of art," "Black Square" also was displayed in the "red corner". Since it should be treated the audience: - In a corner by limiting the review of the perception of the eye; - At an angle, removing the prospect obtained if the center of the square is above the horizon line. Then again, it becomes clear - Why? at the show on Jan. 28, 2008, "Black Square", is presented as a conventional painting. This is clearly seen in the photographs. Conclusion - 7: - in the creative elite, there is no sound, accurate understanding of the merits of Kazimir Malevich and the special significance of paintings titled "Black Square" in world art. We'll finish the process of creating paintings, creating a "miracle" and evaluate its merits. The question arises, "if a miracle was created, why should it duplicate?". The problem of 8. The most important - a sensational goal, coming from above - as described! Collect all the options paintings by Malevich's Black Square together. At a demonstration painting to take into account everything about what was discussed above and the most reasonably determined and credited the artist, and in the dignity of the picture. It is known that Malevich created four or seven "Black Square". Clearly aware of the process of creating the painting, it becomes clear that every major creative challenges faced by the author, decided on the sensations, the artist can not be to rewrite the self is created by a square. He is forced to try new options. While in the process of creative search, check those same feelings, which do not measure other than the experiment and talent. One of the latest findings, which can be done to more deeply assess the merit of the work needed to put all the squares together in one exhibition. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1913. 1915. 1919-1920gg. 1923. 1927. 1929. 1932. 1935. "Picturesque squares we know more, how - we can not definitively say, as might resurface as yet unknown to us squares. They differ from the first, as a rule, greater accuracy of performance, material, and, importantly, the proportions. Currently there are no studies of these proportions, which, in fact, sometimes only possible to establish exactly what we know of Squares captured in some photos. The conclusion that he was "Black Square", which the artist chose to show is the most successful in relation to the implementation of creative thought. The square accompanied by Malevich and his last journey. Researchers say Malevich works that the artist paint a picture: - "Red Square" (two copies); - "White Square (Suprematist Composition); - "White on White" - one; - "Black Square" (multiple copies) - no Poimena that copies "Black Square" can not be. They write: "It is known that during the period from 1915 to early 1930 Malevich created: four copies of" Black Square ", which differ in pattern, texture and color. "Form a square plane marks the beginning of Suprematism, a new color realism as a non-objective art." "Suprematism is divided into three stages, the number of squares - black, red and white: black period. Color and white. All three periods were developed from 1913 to 1918. Basis for their formation was: transmit power through a static economic substance of the plane or in a visible form a dynamic peace. In pure form, this plane has been achieved. " generalized conclusions. The creation of this work is a milestone in the development of art, including fine. Malevich said to his disciples: "you need to grow, to be one of you to grow oaks, to sow the seeds all over the world, not words." According to the students of the square rose a new world, alive and joyful. In the beginning of the twentieth century square had gathered around, KS Malevich new people, the generation of the future, about which they dreamed. It gave an opportunity to the next generation of artists around the world recognize the achievements of previous millennia. Pushed off from the "Black Square", both from the launch pad to promote creative thought ahead, considering the achievements of previous generations, as a past stage. Today, many of those who skillfully mastered and mimics the historical heritage, by and large calling themselves "artists", actually are not. They can be called good masters, no more. Artist with a capital letter, is one who is considering achieving predecessors brings to the art of something new, his own. Must be very hurt that is still among the so-called "intellectuals" did not find enough to understand, prepared by a specialist, who is popular would explain the advantage of this product. Proving and explaining that Malevich created a work, in terms of creative law has no flaw, that is the perfect product, or as close to ideal product, compared to all that have been created by artists, we can say that it is beautiful, so - as "perfect - there can be no fine. All other products, including various genres and make it possible to allow researchers, critics, connoisseurs, professionals artists, ordinary person - to reason, question, argue. "Black Square" deprives this public opportunity "slovobludstvovat" that they and annoying. Anyone who saw this picture, the exchange of experiences arguing that nothing much except a flat, black square, he could not see, does not understand that he saw a man-made "miracle." That's what people because of their physical imperfections can not see. It is the goal, a task which has sought to address the artist. |
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Something and someone, I even liked it, and this is an occasion for the reaction on my part. ![]() LIKBEZ number 1 Kazimir Malevich. Black Square. Publishing House "ABC Classic, 2003, St. Petersburg. Manifests. Declaration. Article. p. 29. «When will disappear habit of mind to see in the pictures over the image of nature, madonnas and the shameless Venus, then just see pure paintings. "I was transformed into a zero form and caught himself from the pool stuff of academic art." p. 29. «I destroyed the ring - the horizon and out of the range of things, with the ring horizon in which the artist signed and forms of nature. It's a damn ring ..., takes the artist from the target to death. Only a cowardly consciousness and the scarcity of the creative forces in the artist susceptible to fraud and establish their art in the forms of nature, for fear of losing the foundation on which established his art savage and the Academy. " p.29-30. «reproduce popular among objects and sites of nature, still marvel that a thief at his feet chained. "Only the stupid and impotent artists cover his art sincerity. In art, truth is necessary, but not sincerity. Things have disappeared like smoke for a new culture of art and art comes to an end in itself - of creativity and mastery over nature forms." p. 32. «... artists of the past and dropped a bathrobe came out of modern life and found (at the time of Malevich) new beauty. And I say (said Kazimir Malevich ... and I): "With no dungeons academies will not stand against the coming time. Move and are produced form, and we make new discoveries. And what we discovered, that does not close. It is absurd to our time to drive to the old form last time. " p.32-33. «The Hollow past could not contain ... run our lives. As in our tech life: We can not use those ships, which went (walked) Saracens - and in art we must look for shapes that meet modern life. The technical side of our time going farther and farther forward, and the art of trying to move farther back » http://player.vimeo.com/video/9492597 Последний раз редактировалось Ylot; 17.01.2011 в 20:00. |
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