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Язык оригинала: Русский #211 | |
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Second: after all, in a conversation about contemporary art-market I would not have relied on the opinion grew. gallery owners, in principle, because well, no more in Russia, the established market in the form in which it exists in the West. So how can each and sells lures, but whatever the motives they have, they would somehow try to interest the public art, or as you please "pseudo" and so on there who himself wants to be deceived or will be interested in and seek the truth. In general, a result of the presence of galleries only positive. About "certain forces" funny to read, really. > Everyone is responsible for promoting their artists, which he believes that sees the talent and creativity, which sees the blend in the history of art - that so everything is clear, and there on time will tell who is right and who is not. But this is more locally at each gallery, than a global planetary level. Although, of course, there are cases of promotion of artists from one country to other countries.
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Язык оригинала: Русский #212 | |
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Of course, it turns out, was wrong poor Veronese, when he said: "The most valuable properties in the artist - the sincerity and humility." >Now on the subject. Alex Golovin, I saw your picture of "My Family" at the exhibition on the Crimean shaft. Pros: On the background of general lethargy and incoherence exhibited painting the picture looked good. At least the local color were taken specifically in black, so black, red, so red, without a "snot". The surface is smooth, not chaotic texture. Size for such a topic does not cause irritation. From afar, the work draws attention. Cons: overly fussy arrangement is overloaded elements. None of simplicity and clarity. Just no "movement" of color. Halftones are too heavy. Not thought through the shadows, they simply fall through the black spots. Very bad thing is that both people and objects, and the folds of cloth are written in exactly the same, one stroke, the same colors. This causes a feeling of lifelessness, of artificiality, that instinctively do not like people. For this reason, closely examine not interested. The general conclusion: Your work is a compromise. On the one hand you want activity, you take the intense colors, on the other hand you want a spectacular volume. As a result, can not be neither the first nor the second. It turns out something in between, neither one nor the other. A compromise for the arts - is death. And with this need to do something, otherwise you'll never get rid of the accusations of "remesluhe." Even the Seriy will teach you. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #213 | ||
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Responds calmly . This position is a matter of respect - he believes that there is nothing to talk about , because he's an artist ... And it somehow attacked too ... Added after 16 minutes Цитата:
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Язык оригинала: Русский #214 |
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iside,
If about "certain forces" funny to read ... then we have to answer the question: "... When we started to walk in muddy boots on the marble stairs ?...( Bulgakov. Heart of a Dog) I'll try to give a brief excursion into the history of the postwar period, as I understand it. If you look at the design of Rockefeller Center, built before the war, you will see laurel wreath, the Roman "fashi" liktorskie beams and gold stars ... that is all the same thing as in the Moscow subway that time. and realism in American painting. Separation does not exist and there was some common understanding of the aesthetic. But after the war, somewhere in the 48-49gg sharp start a radical change. Since neo-classicism and realism was something like "calling card" of totalitarianism, we must was for the "bulwark of democracy" to come up with something opposite, corresponding to "democratic values" and "freedom of speech." Well, come up with. We got wiped out and dust any "freaks" such as Duchamp (before age 30 to his case anyone nebylo) with his pisuarom ("Fountain", 1917) and the like. The first exhibition of abstract art in post-war period were financed from the funds about the CIA. There is documentary evidence of this. Started by artificial means to untwist Mokhovikov guys. Next, let's call them "democratic forces" have created their stretched time aesthetic program as opposed to the program of socialist realism and neo-classicism in totalitarian states (Germany and the USSR). This includes not only art but also music, literature and cinema. And the culture at large. When all this took shape in democratic countries, it has been used as weapons of ideological warfare. And now, "Scoop" razvalilssya and finish, that would not roll back penetrated the Soros foundations, etc. Started and we dig "freaks" and actively fund the "left". Think of Sotheby's in 1988 and take Journal of "Creation" for 1986 and compare it with the same 1989. And then the "left" Moscow-Leningrad artists began to swim in money of U.S. funds. But not all, many were offended and did not have until now. There were the curators with an active desire to "milk the grandfather of Soros." So it was in the 90s. All flowed smoothly in the 21st century. Then Soros, making his case "left" from Russia, followed by others. China Likely to have switched. No "fanerka with a hole" or "shark jelly" can not be a work of art without a priori political or cultural lobby. Everything is connected. There is no curators and art historians engaged in the art for the love of art. All are engaged in a system of winning the Cold War. And can be up for auction through the "anus" to get if you have money for promotion of buying himself allow it only under a certain "specific democratic vector." It is possible and the "People" get knowing the right people at the awards committee president, but also within the framework of "a certain vector." There is no way to get an objective criterion of a particular product. Created a situation gives ample scope for speculation and maintain a system that benefits in this state, just from a market perspective. If you are a power suddenly "squeeze" orgy of democratic values is the leftmost supervisors immediately vykrestyatsya advocates in other ideals. How, when, what the most inveterate communists suddenly became ardent democrats (I naively thought that they all shoot himself >).so that "certain forces" have and they work. >Just now the guys Contemporary art curators given to self-sufficiency. And the things they had pretty bad. Without the funds difficult in the Russian reality monetize their activities especially after the crisis. And the fact that someone actually believes in what he does, someone pretends to believe it is not so important. DSF, Thank you for intelligible and concrete opinion. In my opinion, just as in the composition of this painting is the simplicity and clarity. I do not Balde nor any of the Cow of Renoir. Poyetomu me black in the picture and does not confuse the "movement" of color I did not pursue, as a problem. If all this is to make a picture of a canvas, "ranged" the exhibit will not work and you do not want to come closer. K-Maler, I do not alexander. I hope that the issue of good taste in other studies does not arise. I understand what you mean. I like to work at the moment in a kind of "frontier" areas ... In my opinion I do not blame a bad taste. But as these limits at all different, it is inevitable that someone in the minds, particularly educated socialist realism or abstract art such an opinion may arise. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #215 | ||
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Let me explain my idea: Russian artists (not all, of course, but the vast majority), subject to certain competitive advantages often defiantly anachronistic, if not archaic. And all these allusions to some kind of invisible hand - often an excuse that they do not fall into the stream, into the mainstream (I vulgaliziruyu, of course). You can, of course, and pose to take (for example, someone takes patriotic pose, though, of course, their range is much wider), but you see I'm trying to bridge this gap, as you write Цитата:
Последний раз редактировалось artcol; 11.09.2011 в 02:12. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #216 |
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Alex Golovin, a topic about Rudolf Bauer
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...t=Rudolf+Bauer I described the chronology of the advent of abstract art in the United States. The coming happened in Europe, two painters Kandinsky and Bauer, the initiator and inspirer of the Hill was Ribey and financed everything personally Solomon Guggenheim. The whole chain of exhibitions held in the U.S. in the thirties and had its influence on American artists. At the same time born and American abstract expressionism. The most revolutionary work Dzh.Polloka written in the early forties, at the same time and came to him a confession. Yes, Roosevelt was funded (supported) by artists from the state treasury in the 30s, during the Great depression, they painted the walls of public buildings, the work paid for by the state, but very modestly, just for bread. After the war, to abstract expressionism came international recognition, there was a lot of new artists. But it all started in the 30s, but not the war. Of course, the United States are proud of their great style, abstract expressionism, a card of American art iso as we Malevich. Classicism came to art after World War I, as an attempt to restore harmony after the complete destruction and savagery. Even Picasso gave him and began to write a tribute to women in tunics with vases. Appeal to the ancient ideals - it's cyclical phenomenon, the Renaissance revived it too Well antiquity to the 19th century Pre-Raphaelites were.
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Язык оригинала: Русский #217 | |
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Socialist realism in my comment do with it. I mean it was shaped a series that does not depend on directions. There are a number of associations with images, Legacy previous crop. A drapery - one of the strongest images. For example, in a fake Kustodiev ( over 4 million ), due to which now suing , using this "European" drapery , resemble folded solemnly curtain, and not to the village the curtain, like a true Kustodiev. I had it in mind. In the chosen topic such hangings are misplaced.
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Язык оригинала: Русский #218 |
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Dear ! Strange advice you give an artist ... black " failing " the shadows in unexpected places is a conscious technique of the artist , look at the thesis, there is a sudden shadow on his face , too, is a woman. Red drapery , his trademark ... Thus, you advise him to abandon at once from two typical of his methods ?
IMHO, absolutely useless to criticize the artist element by element , suggest a move , there is a smooth transition , there is brightened . The forum is already an artist , who had been taught to write all the chorus ... its quite a while to be seen ...
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| Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Seriy за это полезное сообщение: | artcol (11.09.2011) |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #219 | ||
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Yes, and the author of the theme , apparently , just an audience , not advice. Цитата:
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Язык оригинала: Русский #220 |
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These tips are strange for you, pick up surface information from books . You, as a novice artist, you have to be modest, your ridiculous aplomb , and the messages are full of dilettantism. I assure you , Alexei Golovin, all perfectly understood .
Alex Golovin, your creative position is clear , it is evident in your pictures . You gently call it " Border ", and I 'm talking to you directly , that is a creative compromise , but far from the best. If you do not want to remain a student in 1525 Mylnikov , you will need to cross the border to one side . The sooner you do, the better. With regard to " certain forces that oppress us angry ," a most formidable force - it is a dense ignorance and aggressive amateurism of our artists. Do not need no Soros and the CIA, our home-grown "geniuses" of themselves selflessly bite each other's throats , not forgetting to kick together gallery owners . Experience in this part of the Soviet era they have the richest . |
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| Эти 8 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо DSF за это полезное сообщение: | artcol (12.09.2011), iside (12.09.2011), K-Maler (12.09.2011), zerr (18.09.2011), Алексей Головин (12.09.2011), Артём (12.09.2011), Кирилл Сызранский (11.09.2011), Сима (12.09.2011) |
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