Вернуться   Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство > English forum > Art Kaleidoscope
 English | Русский Forum ARTinvestment.RU RSS Регистрация Дневники Справка Сообщество Сообщения за день Поиск

Art Kaleidoscope Interesting and relevant information about art. Discuss general art issues and any topics not covered in other forums. It’s only about art — love, politics, sports, hobbies etc. are discussed in “Chatter”.

Ответ
 
Опции темы Опции просмотра
Старый 03.09.2013, 18:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #201
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 15.09.2009
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 3,066
Спасибо: 385
Поблагодарили 3,134 раз(а) в 1,448 сообщениях
Репутация: 6243
По умолчанию Enable artists to extort pictures

"In the Dzerzhinsky district court consolidated the two cases in which the four artists - Oleg Zaika , Evgeny Kozlov Oleg Maslov and Inal Savchenko - require the artist and the collector Sergei Bugaev ( Africa ) to return to them 25 paintings created in the 1980s .

           According to the applicants , things were so . From May 15 to June 7 this year at the Museum of Fine Arts Academy , an exhibition " ACCA : the latest generation of the Leningrad avant-garde ", organized by Sergei Bugaev . It found 6 Four artists of his works, which have long thought lost. And then came the exhibition catalog , where the authors saw 19 more pictures. All 25 owned by Sergei Bugaev . The plaintiffs demand them back.

As the " City 812 " lawyer Andrei Vasilyev (his office specializes in the protection of intellectual property) , which represents the interests of the applicants , no matter when they were created paintings and when they were lost by the authors . By law, since the artists have learned exactly where things are , they have three years to file a claim. They made it a lot faster.

Museum -respondent is as legally not yet been located disputed paintings . If the court found out that after the close of the show , they were returned Bugaev , a claim to the museum will disappear .

Sources claim that this story is not as simple as it looks at first glance , " take - bring back ." Let's start with the fact that in 1991, Timur Novikov and Sergei Bugaev donated to the Russian museum about 100 works of the " New Artists" , by that time had ceased to exist. There were also works of those who are now suing Bugaev . Before you bring in a picture of inventories, museum workers have invited artists to those confirmed authorship , date of creation of refined paintings, their titles .
However, it can be assumed that the four applicants were not involved in this work.

In 2005, the Tretyakov Gallery as a special project of the 1st Moscow Biennale was an exhibition of " accomplices" , where the collection was composed by Sergei Bugaev section on "New artists ". In the catalog of the exhibition is the work claimants, although there is no direct evidence of the fact that they come from the collection Bugaev.

In 2010, the belt held a large exhibition of the "New Artists" , which was conceived back in 1991. It was called " Brushstroke ". The texts explicitly states that collected Bugaev "New Artists" and gave part of his collection to the Russian Museum . The album , released for the exhibition , for example, we find: Oleg Maslov , " hand holding a cigarette ," 1980 . Collection Sergei Bugaev. Or Eugene Kozlov . Portrait of George Guryanova . Collection Sergei Bugaev. The latter work is reproduced in the exhibition catalog , " ACCA : the latest generation of the Leningrad avant-garde ."

In general, not very clear why artists are not laid claim to their works before.

Of course, in both cases, the four artists in the show could not go, do not read books about their work and do not know. However, sources associated with the art market claim to authorship does not automatically recognize the right of ownership. Let's say that there is no documentary evidence Bugaev rights to 25 films. But artists have to prove that these pictures belong just to them, not someone else. Then require the testimony of witnesses who will be able to clarify the circumstances in which this or that picture came to Bugaev .

Observers put forward two versions of the origin of the conflict. The first is called , home . Former friends and associates of the group " New Artists" had a fight on their own personal reasons , and now the artists are not too successful in commercial terms , have decided to annoy Bugaev , who promoted and entree into government offices .

The second version - a purely commercial . Experts refrain from estimates a cost of 25 paintings. In Russia there is no art market with stable prices for contemporary art. But it is possible that there was a specific order dealer and his promises can recoup the considerable legal costs.
In any case, observers see this as a precedent-setting litigation . If the court decides to return the paintings to artists, it will close to the public private collections of contemporary art , and all art .

Almost all the meetings of contemporary artists , especially in St. Petersburg, created through donations or minimum wage " in the pocket ». No securities have been made. Exceptions - corporate collections and collections oligarchs.

One of the collectors of the Leningrad underground informed " City 812 ", which in the 1960s - 1970s, artists could fit into complacency or neglect to give them things failed , and after a couple of days to reclaim . In such cases, the paintings or drawings are usually returned .

But what a collector wants to risk showing publicly their treasures , if the exhibition can reach the author , his heirs , other candidates and demand picture back .

Museums have long been alert. When purchasing goods or receiving them as a gift , they need to confirm the origin of the document . Now, in order to avoid scandals museums will require provenance , ie Proof of origin , and to display temporary exhibitions . "


Oleg Zaika , Evgeny Kozlov Oleg Maslov and Inal Savchenko trying to discredit the contemporary art market in Russia .
Especially collectors will think 100 times before buying their works, if there is no desire to see a couple of years of bailiffs .




Последний раз редактировалось Fed; 03.09.2013 в 18:16.
Fed вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 18:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #202
Гуру
 
Аватар для олег назаров
 
Регистрация: 29.04.2009
Адрес: Санкт-Петербург
Сообщений: 1,161
Спасибо: 3,614
Поблагодарили 2,528 раз(а) в 734 сообщениях
Репутация: 4798
Отправить сообщение для олег назаров с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию

Here goes a long disskusiya not clear what but all who are a little familiar with the dispute uchasnikami know Africa this work ( and in fact not only these but still a lot of other pictures ) steal most cynical way . Many of the works he was taking for sale and sold and the money did not give so on. Patience was crowded and it finally went to court . In addition , not all who tricked son of a gun and threw it filed lawsuits .

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 5 minutes[/color]
Цитата:
Сообщение от Fed; 2743401 "
Oleg Zaika , Evgeny Kozlov Oleg Maslov and Inal Savchenko trying to discredit the contemporary art market in Russia .
it is generally a terrible delusion is decent and honorable people the real stars of contemporary art.

[color="#666686 " ]Added after 8 minutes[/color]
Цитата:
Сообщение от Fed; 2743401 "
The more collectors will think 100 times before buying their works, if there is no desire to see a couple of years of bailiffs .
 this is nonsense and does not need to buy anything from Africa and all will be well.




Последний раз редактировалось олег назаров; 03.09.2013 в 20:21. Причина: Добавлено сообщение
олег назаров вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Эти 10 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо олег назаров за это полезное сообщение:
Aka Petr (04.09.2013), Grigory (04.09.2013), Masikmak (17.09.2013), usynin2 (03.09.2013), Wladzislaw (03.09.2013), Ирина Ивановна (09.09.2013), Кирилл Сызранский (03.09.2013), Коллекционер-любитель (03.09.2013), манна (04.09.2013), Михалыч (03.09.2013)
Старый 03.09.2013, 19:32 Язык оригинала: Русский       #203
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 15.09.2009
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 3,066
Спасибо: 385
Поблагодарили 3,134 раз(а) в 1,448 сообщениях
Репутация: 6243
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov Посмотреть сообщение
real stars of contemporary art.
Maslov, "Bunny draws cartoons."


And he creates a "modern art."
See below.
Миниатюры
Нажмите на изображение для увеличения
Название: Маслов.jpg
Просмотров: 173
Размер:	100.4 Кб
ID:	2067962  



Fed вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 19:40 Язык оригинала: Русский       #204
Гуру
 
Аватар для Кирилл Сызранский
 
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 75,466
Спасибо: 27,925
Поблагодарили 55,362 раз(а) в 24,302 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102422
Отправить сообщение для Кирилл Сызранский с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию

Fed, and that's your word ?
Цитата:
Oleg Zaika , Evgeny Kozlov Oleg Maslov and Inal Savchenko trying to discredit the contemporary art market in Russia .
Especially collectors will think 100 times before buying their works, if there is no desire to see a couple of years bailiffs.
In this article, the link is not seen.



Кирилл Сызранский вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Кирилл Сызранский за это полезное сообщение:
Старый 03.09.2013, 19:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #205
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 15.09.2009
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 3,066
Спасибо: 385
Поблагодарили 3,134 раз(а) в 1,448 сообщениях
Репутация: 6243
По умолчанию

" This lawsuit precedent . If the court decides to return the paintings to artists, it will close to the public private collections of contemporary art , and all art .

What a collector wants to risk showing publicly their treasures , if the exhibition can reach the author , his heirs , other candidates and demand picture back . "



Fed вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 21:08 Язык оригинала: Русский       #206
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 29.08.2008
Адрес: Беларусь, Минск
Сообщений: 4,246
Спасибо: 2,696
Поблагодарили 2,436 раз(а) в 1,199 сообщениях
Репутация: 4333
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Fed Посмотреть сообщение
this lawsuit precedent

In Russia, codified law, why do you write about the "precedent"? ... Maybe you mean by "case law", well, until the higher courts still far away.
Be understood in terms.



Wladzislaw вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Wladzislaw за это полезное сообщение:
Маруся (29.11.2013)
Старый 03.09.2013, 21:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #207
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 15.09.2009
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 3,066
Спасибо: 385
Поблагодарили 3,134 раз(а) в 1,448 сообщениях
Репутация: 6243
По умолчанию

Complaints to the terms , the journalist who wrote the article.

We are talking about the " precedent " for collectors to enable artists to extort from them after years of painting .

Outline situation: come to your heirs and successors Daly said - the schedule it has risen 10 times , and you do not have checks , and after so many years can not remember what my grandfather gave her a commission ( or something steeper - Virtue ) . With you - work and compensation pechalek .

Now imagine if Dali himself up to the heirs ... Give ...




Последний раз редактировалось Fed; 03.09.2013 в 21:39.
Fed вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 21:39 Язык оригинала: Русский       #208
Гуру
 
Аватар для Кирилл Сызранский
 
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 75,466
Спасибо: 27,925
Поблагодарили 55,362 раз(а) в 24,302 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102422
Отправить сообщение для Кирилл Сызранский с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Fed Посмотреть сообщение
With you-work and compensation pechalek.
This is only the court will decide.
Petersburg artists Oleg Zaika, Evgeny Kozlov Oleg Maslov and Inal Savchenko and turned back.



Кирилл Сызранский вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 21:53 Язык оригинала: Русский       #209
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 15.09.2009
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 3,066
Спасибо: 385
Поблагодарили 3,134 раз(а) в 1,448 сообщениях
Репутация: 6243
По умолчанию

Everyone knows about it .

" The plaintiffs are confused about the title of the painting , which require back. They require some pictures, but we are holding up their documents , we see that exhibited other paintings , and the number of exposed more than they say , "- said in an interview with " Fontanka " museum spokesman Sergei Zhamkochyan in court .

And about the attempts to remove the picture to court.
 And what they wanted in private conversations , nobody knows.

Since then backdating can require co-payments, scaring the court. What if the collector nerves will pass , and wallow Ruddy .



Fed вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 03.09.2013, 22:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #210
Гуру
 
Аватар для Магнолия
 
Регистрация: 05.04.2012
Адрес: Санкт-Петербург
Сообщений: 2,575
Спасибо: 1,188
Поблагодарили 1,921 раз(а) в 1,144 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 36
Репутация: 3834
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov ; 2743451 "
Also , not all who cheated and threw this son of a gun have filed lawsuits .
And this is not the only son of a gun , and too far from all who cheat and throw these swindlers , served timely claims for the return of unsold paintings. As a result, formed ostensibly legitimate funds " unclaimed paintings ." The assets of these funds are "stored " somewhere somehow , on the occasion of becoming collateral . Further fate of the exchanged for money painting floats into the unknown. The most interesting is the fact that the great value of these funds over the years are " neuchtenkoy ." And this despite the fact that the funds pass buh.otchetnost registered with the tax authorities . In creating confusion provocative violations of civil relations (and even crime) , all involved , and almost no one is willing to comply with the rules prescribed by law .
__________________
Невозможно человеку самостоятельно открыть Дверь, ведущую в Мир Духовный. Но кто-то иной должен прийти и приоткрыть эту Дверь. (с)

И кто б ты ни был, Дух, пред кем мы пленны,
Привет мой всем — и брату, и врагу.
(с) Константин Бальмонт "ПОХВАЛА УМУ"



Магнолия вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Ответ


Ваши права в разделе
Вы не можете создавать новые темы
Вы не можете отвечать в темах
Вы не можете прикреплять вложения
Вы не можете редактировать свои сообщения

BB коды Вкл.
Смайлы Вкл.
[IMG] код Вкл.
HTML код Выкл.

Быстрый переход

Похожие темы
Тема Автор Разделы Ответов Последние сообщения
St. Petersburg's "New Artists" in Moscow Inutero Vladimir In pictures 28 05.01.2015 10:33
Artists of St. Petersburg Tana Artists, artworks, art history 25 07.11.2013 22:19
Sergei "Africa" ​​Bugaev, "For me, there is one instance - the President" Кирилл Сызранский Artists, artworks, art history 3 19.05.2013 14:53
The first Art Fair Artists' Union of St. Petersburg LUNEL In pictures 11 14.06.2012 00:20
Sergei Sidorenko (Crimean artists) Артём Ukrainian artists 2 22.03.2009 11:12




Часовой пояс GMT +3, время: 17:05.
Telegram - Обратная связь - Обработка персональных данных - Архив - Вверх


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Перевод: zCarot