Mark Rothko

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Сообщение от vg_edger; 2297931"

I read this and some other similar many times at intervals of a few days. I thought that maybe I do not understand. As a result, he concluded that it is simply a collection of words without meaning , of which anyone can understand anything.

- I do and so I read, I read ... This ... how to ... Engels correspondence with this ... like it - the devil ... with Kautsky .
Yes I do not agree . With both ...
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Сообщение от Konstantin

And explain to us the difference ...

In my opinion it can be seen with the naked eye.
In addition, I express my personal opinion.
Malevich, I would like to see on their wall, but Rothko - no.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Can you give an example of psychological manipulation?

See my first post.
Prices for Warhol and Rothko - pure consequence of psychological manipulation.

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Сообщение от Konstantin; 2297971"

Can you give an example of psychological manipulation ?

Come on you here, I think , with " stock market specialist , working with financial assets has been 15 years " everything is clear - another random "stray" amateur " Russian portrait painting " dilettante with a set of stamps .

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Сообщение от vg_edger; 2298031"

Prices for Warhol and Rothko - pure consequence of psychological manipulation .

You see , you have just been psychological manipulation and adjusted his first message. Malevich from the " garbage" was eliminated . That's good.
But I ask cause no allegation outcome Rothko Uorhal ( well that is not Hurst) , and the very manipulation describe: a hypnotist to a TV broadcast Kashpirovsky or something.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

with a set of stamps amateurish

Yes it seems that way.

And why here with this set to come?

vg_edger, why you went to this forum?
Uncover our eyes that Malevich and Rothko did not know how to draw?

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Сообщение от Konstantin

vg_edger, why you went to this forum ? Uncover our eyes that Malevich and Rothko did not know how to draw ?

I just wanted to comment on the topic. Is that bad?

"... Because nothing Eulenspiegel draw for the state 60 days, which was held in a banquet and luxury, resorted to a trick , we know the tale of the emperor's new clothes . Eulenspiegel said that the picture can be seen only representative of noble blood . As a result, all the noble gentlemen and ladies admire empty bare walls , and Eulenspiegel can happily disappear together with the reward due to him . "

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Сообщение от vg_edger

I just wanted to express my opinion

This is beautiful.

Passage of Eulenspiegel this is an example of manipulation?
This has led to millions of prices for Rothko?

If so reception is not difficult, I suggest to repeat any other artist.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

You see , you have just been psychological manipulation and adjusted his first message. Malevich from the " garbage" was eliminated . That's good.

I thought and still think that Malevich - divorce and lohotronschiki , and his works - garbage . But at the same time in the world there are many people who can get aesthetic pleasure from the debris, it is their right , let get.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

That's fine.
Passage of Eulenspiegel this is an example of manipulation? This has led to millions of prices for Rothko ?

After the death of Rothko most of his work have appeared in the same hands. After a while, after the standard promotion in exhibitions and special periodicals, they began to appear regularly at auction, formally from many different people , where were bought back by the same owner , again through nominees and increasing costs , the owner is lost commission auction while very small . All , the trend is formed, then begins a natural excitement , fueled only by articles in the press , which costs quite inexpensive as compared with planned fraud on returns. This is not to mention the fact that auction houses and specialized periodicals could well be the property of the manipulators.

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Malevich from the " garbage" was eliminated . Already well .

Here is an article about the " black box ":
http://luiza-drevsholt.livejournal.com/25691.html

But the key idea of the article:
"... People do not have the abstract thinking, not having in its vektoralnom set sound vector, still can not accept or understand the paintings of Malevich . This explains the inability to feel their works of man from the depths of " sound " attitude. People with acoustic vector in nature only 5 percent. "

Sound familiar? Who of the " art " would like to be among the gray and blind 95%, not "sound vector" ?

"So the king went to the head of the procession under the beautiful canopy , and all the people on the street and in the windows saying:

- Ah, a new outfit King incomparable! And what kind of train - beautiful! A coat - how wonderful sitting!

No man would not admit that he did not see anything , because it would mean that he is either stupid, or out of place sitting. Neither dress King did not cause more of the excitement. "

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Сообщение от vg_edger; 2298131"

After the death of Rothko most of his works were in the same hands. After a while, after the standard promotion in exhibitions and special periodicals, they began to appear regularly at auction, formally from many different people, where were bought back by the same owner, again through nominees and increasing costs, the owner is lost commission auction while very small.

This is called as: heard the sound, but does not know where he (c).

Rothko sold for big money by the standards of the then already in his life.
The owner of London's Marlborough Gallery, Frank Lloyd, with whom Rothko had a contract once bought a work of the artist in the 12 m long, and the next day sold for 200,000 - a fact reflected in a criminal case in court, when this picture otsuzhivalis gallery owner, fraudulently attempted to conceal from the heirs of their father's paintings. In general, the price of Rothko in May 1970, when the contract is signed between his foundation and the gallery was 60 thousand for the picture.
By January 1972 Rothko painting has already cost 85 thousand, and the beginning of the court in 1974 - 145 thousand in the United States and the public was shocked: So Lloyd for four years, "Navarro" to deal more than 1000 percent. Having bought the painting from the fund in 1970 to 12 thousand in 1974, he had already sold it for 145.
The case lasted from November 71 th to the end of 1975, Lloyd go on the run, trying to put their American collection from Canada and Europe, but the collection has the last moment been arrested in 1982 by Frank Lloyd gave the prosecutor in New York and has been convicted on three criminal charges at once.
But in fact, and the court, and his decision (by the way, is a unique case in the history of jurisprudence: the U.S. Supreme Court officially recognized the great artist Mark Rothko - four pages were devoted to his sentence in the history of painting), and testimony of witnesses and experts showed all the fraud scheme and the accused was trying to play down the prices for Rothko, though even then the experts talked about buduyuschih millions prices on its products.

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Сообщение от vg_edger

I thought and still think that Malevich - divorce and lohotronschiki , and his works - garbage . But at the same time in the world there are many people who can get aesthetic pleasure from the debris, it is their right , let get.


Sound familiar? Who of the " art " would like to be among the gray and blind 95%, not "sound vector" ?

vg_edger, never I did not like Malevich or to a square or since, except Suprematist designs on porcelain , for example.
Never liked Rothko
Never liked Warhol .
On each of these I can explain in detail why it does not like.
And you do not like it, but I suspect that the very different "does not like " than me.
But it certainly is not garbage , as you say .
The King is not naked, but his style of clothing I do not like .

I -art .