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Старый 22.09.2009, 05:21 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию Forgery paintings Burliuk at Four Corners

Glanced at the Four Corners of the auction catalog on 11 and once in the eye "Lot 40, Burliuk, house of Van Gogh in you. Today learned from the forum that the work sold. Pity the people who have spent probably a lot of money, because the work does not have the slightest relation to arm D. Burliuk. It's a pity that the Four Corners are short on Burliuk a pity that none of forumchan not talked about it before me. (I saw a catalog yesterday).
Those who behold creativity Burliuk, almost no mistakes. Burliuk very difficult to forge, since losing in the early years of his eyes, he saw the world around you differently. Lack of eye led to that formed in the brain-specific compensatory reflexes (communication), allowing him to see a particular perspective and feel in a particular form and amount of relief. It is absent from poddelschikov, but may appear if they povykalyvayut himself in the eye and inhabit both years with 30. Then may try to spoof.

To your attention the first 2 photos from the Four Corners (house of Van Gogh) and the second - from a family source Burliuk (House Burliuk in South Hampton).
Well I know the original work, as well as holding her hands.

Now look closely at the photo and find the differences 2547895:

PS. Judging by the pictures, the house of Van Gogh and the house Burliuk were built by the same builders of the plans of one and the same architect. : D

PPS. I think that if a buyer will notice this theme, at the Four Corners will be noise.: O
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Старый 22.09.2009, 12:00 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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OlegTsi, but what you say about this Burliuk?
The picture at one time went on the market and in St. Petersburg and Moscow, the last time I saw her at the Gelos 4 years ago, how many now recall, purchased it at the time of the 1.3 million rubles from the coppers.

Burliuk David Davidovich (1882-1967). "In the Park". Cardboard, oil. 35,3 h46 1920. Signed lower right: «Burliuk». Examination of the State Tretyakov Gallery.
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Burliuk David Davidovich (1882-1967). "In the Park". Cardboard, oil. 35,3 h46 1920. Signed lower right: «Burliuk». Examination GTG


Dear Cyril Syzransky, thanks for the question and trust, nice to meet more closely. Before I answer your question, I want to point out that there was difficult when viewing pictures on the internet with little resolution to 100%of the unilateral withdrawal. On the other hand do not want to make enemies on the forum, which may be the owners of works, which are negotiated.

I have my own principle - the more expert opinions, the more doubts about the authenticity of work. One of my friends artdiler to the question of whether there is a certificate that said - "Certificates do not trade, sell art."

Many people know how to do certificates - experts in museums on the salaries, so the owner of the pseudo-masterpiece costs nothing for 200-300 dollars to get him the necessary expertise. This was stated by Vladimir Petrov, and this was his main reason for withdrawal from the Tretyakov Gallery. Now requires the services of protection.

Now, more specifically, on the picture.
Let's analyze.

In 1922 Burlyuk from Japan through Vancouver arrived in New York. Before Immigration to Japan - style of avant-garde works, cubism, kubofuturizm. In Japan, 1919-1922 - the rapid development of futurism, through what the Japanese call the father of Japanese Burliuk futurism. 1922 new artist in the United States seeks to create in art is something new, unique. By bringing together the symbolism, ekspressionizm and neo-primitivism, and it creates a revolutionary new style in art - Radiostil. At the same time had stavat on his feet again, to take part in exhibitions, to do everything possible to become famous and to be sold. Immediately followed by a series of joint, and then the individual exhibitions in 1923, 26, 27, 29 respectively.

I quote some photos from the period of 21 to 28 years. Interwoven Cubism, Futurism, Cubo-futurism, symbolism, neo-primitivism. Towards the end of the decade there is something porealistichnee. I spent this analysis for what-to show what breathed Burliuk in 20-ies. Ekpert GTG obviously made a mistake in date. This could and finish. But continue.
Judging by the frame, the picture was not the ordinary Thomas, then had to buy a canvas and a frame together, or cut cardboard itself. In 20-ies for Burliuk without much money may be easier to acquire simple, often wooden frame (even Rustic, wood, warped rodents). Burliuk often used the framework to complement the meaning of a drawing, always looking to make the frame was in harmony with the painting. It is very rarely used non-standard size frame (multiple inches, which is not in this picture). Again, talk about the box, because of its clear that it was designed precisely for this work, but I think that it depicted a plot in the park not garmoniiruyut. Pity we did not see the details, signatures, and therefore limited in the identification. But already the basis of the dating, it can be assumed that the examination is not accurate, even if they talk about authenticity. If allowed one mistake, it may be another.

Summary conclusion - I would not buy this work.

PS This is my personal opinion. I do not want to offend anybody.


1 -1921, 2 - 1922 3 - 1922 4 - 1924 radiostil, Harlem River
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Старый 23.09.2009, 11:27 Язык оригинала: Русский       #4
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OlegTsi, do not tell us more about the picture number 2 of the message 6?



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Старый 20.12.2009, 21:38 Язык оригинала: Русский       #5
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Burliuk David Davidovich (1882-1967). "In the Park". Cardboard, oil. 35,3 h46 1920. Signed lower right: «Burliuk». Examination GTG


On the other hand do not want to make enemies on the forum, which may be the owners of works, which are negotiated.


Now, more specifically, on the picture.
Let's analyze.

In 1922 Burlyuk from Japan through Vancouver arrived in New York. ...
Burliuk often used the framework to complement the meaning of a drawing, always looking to make the frame was in harmony with the painting ...
It is very rarely used non-standard size frame (multiple inches, which is not in this picture). Again, talk about the box, because of its clear that it was designed precisely for this work, but I think that it depicted a plot in the park not garmoniiruyut. Pity we did not see the details, signatures, and therefore limited in the identification. But already the basis of the dating, it can be assumed that the examination is not accurate, even if they talk about authenticity. If allowed one mistake, it may be another.
Do not be afraid - enemies do not cash in,
You want to see a signature - I have it laid out, I still photos, but do not want to turn the discussion of the curious things to squabble about me (whether or not I gather, dupe or a complete goof, is there any taste ...) because I do not want the remaining pictures in publichnyne sources put. And I am interested in your opinion, on Kainov least shows that you understand and author izuchali.Esli you will be curious postorayus raise, they think the guys from the ACA gallery about this work. Sincerely, AG



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Dear AG, in no way trying to speak against you or someone else, especially since the debate began much earlier than you are registered on the forum. In squabbles do not want to enter and do not want to involve others.

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And I am interested in your opinion, on Kainov least show that you understand and author izuchali.Esli you will be curious postorayus raise, they think the guys from the ACA gallery about this work.
As selected quotation: - yes, creativity Burliuk studied and further explored, collecting his work, buy, sell. (At the moment I can offer 6 works). With considerable experience in this field, always try to help his answer or advice to anyone who is interested. Concerning the work that we are discussing: if the picture is no sticker ACA Gallery (American Contemporary Art Gallery), then these guys will not help you. Moreover, the SPE as Lyzon Gallery are not fund Burliuk and to the examination of his work. ASA only widely sold work Burlyuk since had a contract with him and had only 1 show of his work.
And the signature that you're showing that differs from those who Burliuk staged during the 20's (as given in the list to the picture), but this is nuance, which is not going to say.

I do not want to go back to his conclusions, but warned that like all have a right to their opinion. The main thing is that the work you like, but nowhere - not in this directory or monographs, or in the well-known books or in Color and Rhyme, this work was not noticed.




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The main thing is that the work you like, but nowhere - not in this directory or monographs, or in the well-known books or in Color and Rhyme, this work was not noticed.
And in general, visit the marz whether such "curly" work in Burliuk?
That's my opinion that is not in it as a way to adjust to the ready, incidental, possibly, the format? A?



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And in general, visit the marz whether such "curly" work in Burliuk?
I just talked about it, referring to the frame of this picture:
"Burliuk very often use the framework to complement the meaning of a drawing, always looking to make the frame was in harmony with the painting ...
It is very rarely used non-standard size frame (multiple inches, which is not in this picture). Again, talk about the box, because of its clear that it was designed precisely for this work, but I think that it depicted a plot in the park not garmoniiruyut. "


I have not met curly framework under which Burliuk adapts its work. Oval miniature - yes, there were, but the limits were all the same square.




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: if the picture is no sticker ACA Gallery (American Contemporary Art Gallery), then these guys will not help you.
When I say "lift" because I had long held a correspondence (2005). Search now are not going to briefly like this: attribution will not be because they do not sell and even more so for the photos, the work is not typical, but counterfeits Burliuk of this type we have not seen before. Signed they liked

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Yes - and about the box they have no Recent entries was not.




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Accidentally found here your Burliuk the house (the old auction "Gelos"). Very pleased with the price and range .

http://www.gelos.ru/auction/jiv5.shtml
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