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[vyadem]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

just gallantry, no more.

Wladzislaw, may not argue. Maybe they no longer had much to talk, when Nicholas II was at the front. In any case, now we can only guess. In the same way as the hierarchy of friendship with Alexander III. It is hard to deny what could well be and we were not there

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

vyadem,

simple gallantry, no more.

No need to carry over today's perception of life in past times.

And here the "chivalry"? And here the "transfer"? There are facts! And the fact is a stubborn thing! You just do not know of this issue and do not want to admit. And I can you something to understand. The fact that about Bogoliubovo generally very little of the material due to the fact that he was under an unofficial ban in the USSR and just mainly because a friend of Emperor Alexander III.

"Most visited Anichkovom palace painter Alexei Petrovich Bogolyubov. Talented, versatile educated, he was adopted at the Court. The friendly relations it has developed with an heir, which were based on a common love for art. Strengthen this friendship helped wife Alexandra, Grand Duchess Maria Feodorovna, who wished to AP Bogolyubov led her art classes. The artist did not bother pupil schooling, she loved to copy the painting. Written it in 1870, "Portrait of a driver of Gregory" shows that it is a good command of oil painting. "

Taken here.

[Wladzislaw]

Decided not to mess fruitless discussions.


To admit complete defeat, go to the kitchen for something to eat, and in the process of cooking sprinkle ashes

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от "Wladzislaw

I decided not to mess fruitless discussions.

Correctly.
Katz offered to surrender.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от dedulya37

Correct. Katz offered to surrender.

 

Incidentally, in the process of cooking potatoes (some of which did not work to save from burning, but the ashes of a failed "), pondered the yard and hierarchy.

Based on the fact that the paintings were ordered from the Palace, Bogolyubov was in favor, and for the service could earn actual state councilor (do not know how many such ranks were assigned to artists), a man of 35-45 years of service could earn. Somewhere in the middle. 1880-Kh-1890 could get, and this office. People in this class could already be presented to the court.

Sentences of secularism and driving friendship will leave to the conscience made public. As mentioned Zhvanetsky: "What are you stealing from losses - steal from the profits."

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Сообщение от vyadem

Wladzislaw, I do not know all the subtleties of court. But here, for example, the example of other painters of the Naval Staff of M. Tkachenko. In his correspondence with Nicholas II, his wife Alexandra told her husband about the death of their dear friend, Michael Tkachenko. I think if he had just ordered a job as Bogolyubov, it would hardly have sounded these words.
So in communication, friendship, hierarchy and Alexander III, it is not surprising.

At the beginning of 20 century, I have more or less information about different people.

At 1912
Civilian grades in Grade 10.

Tkachenko, Mikhail S..
Consists of the Naval Ministry in the rank of the artist (from 19/08/1902).
Orthodox. He graduated from the Academy of Fine Arts, the artist. In service since 1902. Collegiate Secretary (19/08/1902).
Awards: Silver Medal "In memory of the coronation of Emperor Nicholas II», Order of St.. Stanislaus 3 tbsp. (12/06/1909).

Grebti he still grebti "For 10 years no progress in rank.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Tiutchev

drove a friendship with Alexander III

I think this phrase be interpreted literally not worth it. It's just a matter of language: first, Jo Vickery could not really use a good verb, and secondly, the translator has changed the sense of style (the expression used here from all points of view, inappropriate and vulgar). I think that this phrase should be understood only in the sense that they were familiar. To judge, so to say, familiarity, you need to have the documents - letters, memoirs, testimonies of contemporaries. I doubt that the auction house has them.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

What a rashlistannaya phrase "drove a friendship with Alexander III"? ... This is from "The Inspector"?

Сообщение от Allena

I think this phrase be interpreted literally not worth it. It's just a matter of language: first, Jo Vickery could not really use a good verb, and secondly, the translator has changed the sense of style (the expression used here from all points of view, inappropriate and vulgar). I think that this phrase should be understood only in the sense that they were familiar.

This phrase should be interpreted literally it. Only in this way and not otherwise! And Joe Vickery used the verb, which expresses very well the relationships that developed between Alexander III and Alexei Bogoliubov. And the interpreter did not alter the sense of style. And he used well-established expression of the Russian language does not vulgar, as appropriate. The fact that ...

... "led" in the dictionary of Ushakov

Led, I drive, vodish, • Juvenile.

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1. • The same means. That Ch. lead at 1, 2 and 3 • means. but with the difference that stands to move in one step and in one direction and drive - the movement, repetitive, and to do at different times in different directions. Led regiments into battle. For many years he drove ships. Led dog. Led children to walk. Led tourists. Led the patient to the doctor. "In the streets of the elephant was taken." Krylov. Led pencil and paper. Bow across the strings.

2. that someone with nothing. Maintain relationships and communications. Led acquaintance. Led bread and salt. Hobnob.

3. nothing. Move, directing in different directions. Led around the eyes.

4. • without • ext. In the children's and sports games - to carry out these or other specific duties under the rules of the game.

5. anyone that. Nurse (young; of poultry; spec.). Chickens of this breed well lead chickens.

• Led by the nose - see the nose. Reel (• outdated.) - To engage in round dance games.

As you can see, the expression is used correctly and means exactly what is meant Joan. Namely, what Bogolyubov and Alexander III maintained friendly relations.
 
My opponents seem to be guided by the consideration that the emperor is something like a machine that is programmed for specific operations and can not afford any deviation from the target. Perhaps this is true for cars, but not for humans. Whom was the Emperor Alexander III. You see, friendship is not something that is regulated by the protocol or other rules. This movement of the soul! This is something that occurs is not clear where and do not know why! And if the Emperor let the artist Bogolyubov in his inner circle (his wife, children) then it says, at least, about the special arrangement of it for him, and not only that this person is familiar to him. And the fact that Alexei Petrovich was in this circle until the death of Alexander III (1894) proves once again that it was not just performing some functions of the court, but very approximate. Incidentally, the fact that the Bogoliubov entered the inner circle, the future emperor, becoming his mentor, even without being a dignitary of higher rank, and that he remained there the rest of his life as a once and said that between him and the Emperor have developed a special relationship. Hardly any of us will have a relationship with a man to his liking only for reasons of protocol or even in terms of its usefulness for yourself. Well, maybe a year or two or three and everything! All my life I communicate with someone who is neither a relative nor a friend nor a man of essential, but only an artist? How is this possible outside the framework of friendship "? Well, then, that Alexander III was not stupid you and me and friends chose not to rank, and on the location of his soul, I have already mentioned, and whether to write about things so clear and natural?

  However, with the ranks and recognition Alexei Petrovich Bogolyubov, too, was all right. Merit Bogolyubov at sea service, in art and how artistic figure recorded in Russia and Europe. It had the highest rank of the actual privy councilor that the sea service dub title of Admiral of the Fleet. There was a knight of Russian orders - a few degrees of St. Stanislaus, St. Vladimir, St. Anne, was awarded the Danish Order of Danebroga, the Austrian star Franz Josef . The title of an Austrian baron shrugged. France said it works first Officer Cross Legion of Honor, then the most honored - the Commander's Cross of the Legion of Honor. When he died in Paris on the night of November 7, 1896, the coffin carrying his guard with music and banner Battalion 28 th Regiment of the linear French army. Not enough formality for the right to be friends with the emperor?

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Сообщение от Allena

To be judged on, so to say, familiarity, you need to have the documents - letters, memoirs, testimonies of contemporaries. I doubt that the auction house has them.

The auction house does not necessarily have "documents, letters, memoirs, testimonies of contemporaries" in order "to judge, so to speak, the degree of acquaintance." The auction house is sufficient to obtain expert advice in this area. Which he did. Namely, he turned to the art critic Elena Nesterova (State Russian Museum, St. Petersburg).

A specialist in order "to judge, so to say, familiarity," read, for sure (in fact, he and Officer):

1. AP Bogolyubov Notes sailor-artist. 1856-1857 (were published in 1996 and 2006 years)
2. Bogolyubov, On the Bose pochivshem Czar Alexander III. (Memoirs of a professor of painting AP Bogolyubov)
3. Prahov A. Emperor Alexander III as a figure of Russian art education.
4. Gaffifullin R. painting collection of Emperor Alexander III.
5. Klimov, Alexander P. III and Russian artists.
6. Letters to the Emperor Alexander III to the AP Bogolyubov. - St., 1900.
7. Correspondence of Russian artists. (Repin, Archaeology, Vereshchagin, ...)
 
And especially this:
8. Ogarev NV Painter AP Bogolyubov in the court of the Crown Prince Alexander Alexandrovich //Anichkov Palace - a monument to Russian history. Proceedings of the conference /Comp. IG Lokotnikova. St. Petersburg, 1997. - S. 53-57.
Abstract:
O friendly relations AP hierarchy with the imperial couple, Alexander III and Maria Feodorovna. AP Bogolyubov contributed to the decoration of Anichkova palace where the royal family lived.

Read these materials and you (if you have not read) and make sure that the relationship between painter Alexey Bogolyubov and Alexander III were friendly. They do not just have been familiar with, namely, good friends for many years!

[Vladimir]

Allena, you feel that the two days you are advised to read the two encyclopedias, a dictionary and a couple of monographs "Get together somehow, we must urgently do something <! -
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[Allena]

Think

I do not think that there is room for debate about the Russian language, but even if we leave aside the ethical aspects of the use of this verb in a particular case (although I believe that it is them in this case is under discussion usage), then pay attention to the litter next to our interest meaning of the word "light" in a modern dictionary still worth For sim otklanivayus ...

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от "Tiutchev

From the Austrian title of Baron dismissed.

That, too, for sure, verbal incontinence.