Collecting and Collectibles

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

Kollektsionery.eto enthusiastic than the men. little sdvinutye.V basically all laid in childhood with bubbles or marok.Vazhno have access to the meeting itself podobnyh.a access we have no in suburbia and material dostatok.ne talking about wealth.
Painting is more difficult. There is still need to have vkus.obschee razvitie.opyt.vozmozhnost store. .. In addition to displaying visitant. who accidentally hope urvat.v fall into this category UNIT passed through monety.marki.i etc. ..

To say "shifted "..... This view is present in the environment of conventional inhabitants, and among professional traders collectibles.
Agree with you that interest is laid in childhood and every collector is a long way to the joys and frustrations, gain experience and choice of priorities. All were held by collectors obsessed with improving the collection, its credibility and exclusivity. And thus his own authority in terms of its obscheniya.Kstati about communicating with their own kind "- if the" scoops "it was quite active in various societies and informal fees, but now, thanks to the Internet communication and information sharing have become dostapnee many times. I do not know about any remote question - where on the bulb duyut.Est there yet where is she?
   . Today, to make his collection public, the well-known, the possibility is there. It would be a desire to give everything for nothing or for a nominal tsenu.Navernoe this is the price for the opportunity to save a collection of raspyleniya.Vybor for this collector is not easy and no one is immune from the biggest disappointment .....

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Pavel, as a rule, the collection (collection) bubbles suvernirov, tarelochek, etc. in the sale are worth less than when buying .. (With rare exceptions)

For souvenirs not answer, but bottles of spirits - both large and miniature, trial - are very expensive, much more expensive than purchasing. Miniatures produce virtually ceased, as it is too expensive, some old Guerlain or Pat can cost a decent amount. I can not even talking about the "real" old bottles, manufactured by Lalique, Daillier or Depinua - a real collectable items from the quotation, etc.

Picture in the annex to the auction, dedicated to the vial. Preliminary assessment of 4500-9000 euro

[Pavel]

I was confused expression and professional traders collections. PochemuSami collectors, we can not sell their stuff at the auction as I have shown in the inset. Bubbles, etc. where they sell that they are cheaper than purchasing? Where we have a place where they sell?

[kr555]

Pavel, yet there is this market has developed for several centuries. And here he has actually revived from scratch, and with genetic memory that all that anyone ever could commandeer. It would be naive to expect that we now immediately arise all related infrastructure at the proper level, it is not the demand arose.
Well, not for the most valuable collections, and not particularly wealthy collectors have a hammer, there is, in principle, can sell anything if you do not expect to "buy up to 1 - has sold over 2" as an iron law. In the west, almost the same as an inexpensive antiques market virtually monopolized by eBay, read a lot of groans of small shops on the subject.

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Сообщение от Pavel

I was confused expression professional traders collections.

And you do not invent and do not alter written -

Сообщение от tandem

This view is present as normal inhabitants in the environment, and in the medium professional traders collectibles.

Сообщение от Pavel

Where do we have a place where they sell?

If you were a collector, you know black space where collectors sell, exchange, communicate. And for them and us.
 And he took them to write about. than themselves never asked and did not attend.

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Сообщение от tandem

And you do not invent and do not alter written -



If you were a collector, you know black space where collectors sell, exchange, communicate. And for them and us.
 And he took them to write about. than themselves never asked and do not engage.

Not out of malice, but out of haste. In that time and again that we have all these sales go underground and in a narrow range, so the prices can not be raised to world level. Also unfortunately collectors do not last forever and when they die their collections disappear, or at best turn into the gift, on which the family members who know all the burden of dragging her husband, at best, moral satisfaction.
In developed countries this existing public bidding, which were in the Union (12 chairs prodovali on such trades). This is what I am, only legal for sale in the auction achieves normal prices.
I really do not know and do not want to know its mechanism, we simply do not and I'm not a collector and do not intend to, but my problem is that collectors were more to make them easier and better, and that all the labors and hardships poured into material value of the collection.

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Сообщение от kr555

Pavel, yet there is this market has developed for several centuries. And here he has to actually regenerate from scratch, and with genetic memory that all that anyone ever could commandeer. It would be naive to expect that we now instantly arise all related infrastructure at the proper level, it is not the demand arose.
Well, not for the most valuable collections, and not particularly wealthy collectors have a hammer, there is, in principle, can sell anything if you do not expect to "buy up to 1 - has sold over 2" as an iron law. In the west, almost the same, inexpensive antiques market virtually monopolized by eBay, read a lot of groans of small shops on the subject.

I can not agree particularly with the gene memory. Before the revolution, the main buyer was the king. The rest just followed him and bought the remnants of what he bought. Fashion depends on taste the king, and UWC he was bad (opinion Kustodieva). Shchukin and Morozov had been an exception and for them to buy their thought witted, and I'm afraid at the time and you also did not buy it.
Other examples are many collections in the Union and with small Gollancz used by Rubens, Paris Petrov Vodkin, Korovin, etc., etc. It was not only the pairing with prices in the currency. Was your level of prices seems sopostovimy and the gift that is very corrupt museums especially the Tretyakov Gallery.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

Well, what the poor can buy, for example, such a picture?
Hanger, 2005,
oil on canvas, 150cm x 120cm,
Price 5,033,600 USD.

At Drouot in one of the collections on 11 June, I noticed two -3 Tyshler, though it seemed to me svetlovatyh for the original, but I can be wrong.

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Сообщение от Pavel

In developed countries, for that there are public auctions that were in the Union (12 chairs prodovali on such trades). This is what I am, only legal for sale in the auction achieves normal prices.
I really do not know and do not want to know its mechanism, we simply do not and I'm not a collector and do not intend to, but my problem is that collectors were more to make them easier and better.

For an example of bad chairs - they blatantly stole HOLDER ..... There are a surprising number of such requisition, or "voluntary" under the very tree trunks boys, transfers of family collections "bloodsuckers burzhuinov" .... Let's not about the sad and the world-known facts "Revolutionary and post-revolutionary" robbery.
I do not think the relatives collectors received from this "moral satisfaction", even if miraculously managed to stay alive.
As for the "mechanism" here does not need to invent anything, only to turn to experience the oldest of the developed countries of Great Britain. Whose laws are so loyal in the sense that London has become a Mecca for collectors, outplayed Parizh.Vyvod one for the State did not bother writing to live stupid laws aimed only at taxes and prosperity of corruption, help the market self-organized, to become transparent and sane. Then people will have an interest in collecting=knowledge and culture.

[mihailovoh]

duo,
You should not insult Paul.
Clubs and markets in our modest, yet NEDORAZVITYE.auktsiony slabenkie.da and bullshit bush always udovolstviem.problemy and the storage and transportation ... Until a better work through dillera.nadezhney, or buy from the author.
 Your quote-If you were a collector, you know black space where collectors sell, exchange, communicate. And for them and us.
And he took them to write about. than themselves never asked and did not attend.

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mihailovoh, and what is wrong here?

Сообщение от tandem

If you were a collector, you know black space where collectors sell, exchange, communicate. And for them and us.

In my view, all true. Collectors communicate, help each other, share, sell, and there are many interest groups, so to speak.
Birds of a feather flock together. (c)

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Сообщение от Maroussia

Germany - Mecca of Russian avant-garde. Starting with the fact that all avant-garde artists in the 20 years with exhibitions and generally allowed to leave it to Germany, (Altman, Kandinsky, Lissitzky, Malevich, radish, Falk, Chagall continue does not make sense

without a doubt.
But as I understand it, Paul began a theme for collectibles today at the current time and not at a financial level.
Those names that you listed, now can not afford even minor millionaires.
Millions should not be two or three, and more - hundreds.
Already established collections, collected /bought not today, but for the most part for a penny in the first quarter of the 20 th century.
Well, in the worst case for small $ in the 50s - 70s, respectively.