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Старый 11.06.2010, 06:55 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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If you are for so many years, sales did not understand what this means, then no one will help you understand!
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Старый 11.06.2010, 07:06 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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1,5-2000 $ master model, plus work, plus wrapping. We obtain that a modern copy made by modern technologies will be more expensive than the author of nearly a hundred years ago? How then does not fit.
Current copies are U.S. $ 300 -1500 depending on razmerov.Za 700 - 1000 U.S. dollars, you can buy almost meter-high sculpture, high quality ..
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Старый 11.06.2010, 07:51 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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Modern copies are U.S. $ 300 -1500
And may cost less, it all depends on the lottery. But still it comes to the author's work, rather than on consumer goods.

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You can put the question somewhat differently. How much you will appreciate the statue located at the Gatchina Palace?




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Старый 11.06.2010, 08:53 Язык оригинала: Русский       #14
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You can put the question somewhat differently. How much you will appreciate the statue located at the Gatchina Palace?
If you like yours, then 2-3t.u.e. (As an unknown author, the beginning of 20 century).
In museums, there are lots of ordinary things .. Especially Gatchina, it is like all the looted and burned during the war? Is there any bronze beginning of 20 century, its weight in gold ..
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If you are selling is already 2-3 years is probably more than once Visible Sotheby's, Christie .. there are many examples of bronze beginning of 20 century, unknown artists .. Here's to you and the price, meaning to ask?



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Старый 12.06.2010, 07:40 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
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If you like yours, then 2-3t.u.e.
That is, the author's work is known in two copies of a century, recognized iskustvovedami Gatchina Palace, is equal to the value of some modern copies made by modern technology, mass circulation. Something tells me. Might laugh at me if that where any say. While I understand that this is your personal opinion.


(as an unknown author, the beginning of 20 century).
there are many examples of Russian bronze beginning of 20 century, unknown artists ..
You confuse people not generally known and unknown to the masses.
 Unknown author is such which is not known. About Redkin it is known, and virtually all of his narratives and genealogical tree, and so on. And a lot of data can be checked via the Internet. Another thing that he had only one job that I was very suspicious, and among the list of recognized masters, he does not appear. I think that they were never engaged. While viewing the many works of different vaunted sculptors, ancient and modern, I would not say that the work is not recognized Redkina worse than some of the works of recognized masters. This is even alarming. Where skill as a man without previous works? A view of the skills of not only my personal, iskustvovedy his palace, too, recognized, or not put to an unknown author in the former imperial residence.
   It was influenced by stereotypes. As in some long ago movie. If the object is an inscription by Faberge, all admire. No. So the object is not worth attention. If you suspect that there Klodt sketch of the statue everyone will trumpet the work of unknown Klodt. Not there (let's say was not found) and all pass by.



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Старый 12.06.2010, 07:54 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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I laugh at him if that where any say.
Interested in your money, you also are working on the figures than a year .. Name it and everything. If you're funny, they write on the antique forums, meaning you write, ask if you all so you know?
You call the real price 2-3 t.ue. (To be honest and for the price to sell this figure is not so easy.)
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On Redkin is known, and virtually all of his narratives and genealogical tree, etc.
Genelogicheskoe tree is of little interest, it is unknown as a sculptor, so I called him and unknown avtor.Rabota average, beginning of 20 century .. what makes it unique? little understood.



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Старый 13.06.2010, 09:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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Sell in Gatchina, they will have a unique pair - pair things are always more valued. The money they have certainly there at the same time and find out the objective price of your item.



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interested in your money, you also are working on the figures than a year .. Name it and everything.
Well, yes. Not one year. Some idea of the prices is complex, but the lack of objectivity. And I understand that. With prices at auctions, in galleries, in advertisements, on Web sites selling bronze, a huge spread. I wanted to catch some regularity. Therefore, turning on this site. You see, on this site I hope to learn more or less objective value. And you are my counter-question. Name it and everything. If you are interested in the cost of author bronze, look here http://www.kabinet-auktion.com/colle...%20skulptury / By the way there bronze author, but not unique. These statues, under copyright models produced many plants in large quantities. Unique they would be if there were one or two copies. This kind of modern copies, which can be nashtampovat indefinitely. For example, Rodin's statue, too, produced by author's models on a large scale. Now I can not find the site, but there has been written. that during the attack, in the Twin Towers were about three hundred works Rodin.

If you're funny
I did not write that I find it funny. I wrote that I might laugh (I will ridicule) if that where any say. Because you do not understand the difference, then try to explain popular. Imagine. Come to You in the Gatchina Palace and explain iskustvovedam that the cost of the statuettes 2-3 thousand village and is equal to or less than the cost of manufacturing one of the same copy in modern times and current technologies. Or almost equal to the value of some modern copies, issued in huge editions. (to be honest and for the price to sell this figure is not so easy.) And they led. Post signs "Sold". Svisnuli, lifted a finger that is sold a collection of the Gatchina Palace, both from around the world immediately flew collectors and no one will doubt the competence of their iskustvovedov and values represented in the palace of the work, except you of course. And you'll be nervously smoking in aside, muttering about the market prices, about that In museums there are a lot of ordinary things.., And you are a guru on the site Artinvestment and know better. Just do not say that you do not understand what's unique, if not more laughed at. Nothing personal, just for this example, tried to explain what it means to be a laughingstock. Well there is common sense. And it suggests that the copy can not cost more than the original or close price. "Mona Lisa copy" and "Mona Lisa original", which at the same price? Moreover, artist unknown, although suggested by Leonardo da Vinci.
 
Genelogicheskoe tree is of little interest
I understand that you are not iskustvoved. And for your family tree is a little interesting. Explain the example Gatchina and my figurines. At Gatchina inscription "sculpted pieces sprinkles Redkin A P A P" and "Bergen 1799" on my label "sculpted pieces sprinkles Redkin AP 1912" and "Bergen 1799". To authenticate, iskustvovedam need to verify whether such a person or a fictional character, well, there is Mickey Mouse. Moreover, the repetition of two AP AP, without specifying the exact year, both on my own, forced to seek a staff captain with the initials since 1799 and before the revolution. But few find. We must still verify who he is. After Ivanov and may not be one, as Redkin A P. Here for this and to the family tree. More precisely, for the establishment of 100%authenticity of residence of the author's work there is, the relationships, not just people with the same initials, at the time. And imagine that the author in 1912 was not a staff captain, and in other ranks or one word for Homeland Security? For example not Redkin AP, and P. Redkin In or age Lieutenant Captain did not match rank. Well there 5 years old or 105.
Here is rigorously to separate the grain from the chaff, the work of mid-level products and features from iskustvoveda not iskustvoveda. And they learned this in 5 years and every day and faced with these works and the works of the middle level. At least, that is unique, they precisely know.

it is unknown as a sculptor, so I called him and an unknown author.
Unknown to you personally or unknown iskustvovedam Gatchina Palace? Iskustvoved would never have confused the person about whom there is absolutely no information with the person about whom the mass media.
Unknown does not mean bad, but his work is a cheap. The authors of many ancient sculptures known, that does not prevent them to be in the best museums and evaluated in crazy money.
 
work midrange beginning of 20 century .. what makes it unique? unclear.
You do not understand. Iskustvovedam Gatchina Palace, of course. Understand. Iskustvovedy kept it in his hands, saw the quality of work, yet what it nuances. This is not the same thing that see in the picture. For iskustvovedov, this work deserves to be exhibited in the palace. For you, this work midrange. Well, today anyone who does not hold in your hand the object about which the judge may have his own opinion and to criticize professionals. Way. When there was no site of the Gatchina Palace, I have already been concluded museum ending with the words "and may be accepted as a gift to a regional museum of art. If we follow your logic, then in two, unrelated to each other museums (both holding this statue) run by incompetent iskustvovedy wishing to get what you The work of mid-level in the museum's collection. During fools. It would be better bought a large copy. For 700 - 1000 U.S. dollars, you can buy almost meter-high sculpture, high quality .. (post 12). Well, Well, to each his own. Some are looking for the originals, other copies. Only original, this is a tremendous rarity and they have never lacked for all, even if Tretyakov, 40 years of collecting, could muster only 9 statuettes.
The uniqueness of the answer above.



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And nobody tells soap Gatchina Palace Museum (which is their website does not open), or other interested government, the collector, who would like Tretyakov, Division of Art in Russia? One idea is to encourage them to check the archives of PK Klodt and his mother Redkina AP, Love Stanyukovich-Redkino for finding them a sketch or a similar statuettes (may Redkin anything has changed). For me as a private, foreign entity, it is unlikely to tolerate them. Like, they should all be interested to open an unknown work of PK Klodt. Something tells me that it is not the first time, without trial and error, with no prior work in which the author studied, paint a picture masterpiece. There is always something not to be taken into account. Whether the prospect, or shades of color, proportion, or something else. Also with the statues. And to the archives of the mother Redkina AP, Love Stanyukovich-Redkino interest. Because it is for her and other children, PK Klodt cut different figures, it was she, in her memoirs she wrote about that PK Klodt, while in retirement, before his death began a new series of works, of which I remember only the name of "Voivod" is she a girl of ten was present at the death of PK Klodt. All this is in the book "molded and cast Peter Klodt.



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Старый 24.06.2010, 08:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #20
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And no one tells soap Gatchina Palace Museum
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Sell in Gatchina, they will have a unique pair - pair of things are always more valued. The money they have certainly there at the same time and find out the objective price of your item.
The best option for you, I think.



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