Can a fake without a market?

[AlexanderG]

Esli hudoznik sam ne prodaiot, to svalit 'na nego budet ochen' trudno.

[mihailovoh]

[QUOTE=AlexanderG;830192] Mnogo napisali o poddelkah. No vsio ze okonchatel'nogo vyvoda, chto est 'poddelka ne sluchilos'.

Vot neskol'ko opredelenii iz rossiiskih istochnikov:
DICTIONARY
museum terms


Forgery (flawed) - the object that simulates the look and characteristics of historical and cultural monuments, or works of art of a certain age, school, masters, created in order to be issued for the original.



Forgery - imitation, which is usually made with the intent to maliciously distort its content or origins.

 I do agree with the second opredeleniem.S modern forgeries clear the artist is aware of what will be the use of his copy of the * application *. A signature is not relevant to the author and is poddelka.sovremenaya net.dazhe it or when the work performed by students.
I have long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)
Naverno.kto thrill and for his Ayvazovski?

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Сообщение от kozhinart

Theoretically, yes, but practically you can blame everything on the artist.

I would have just the opposite would have said: "blame" on the artist's almost impossible.
And second: tell me how many of you know of examples in Russia initiate criminal proceedings on the fact of selling counterfeit (-lok)? Simple excitations, rather than the courts there, or timing.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

I have long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)

Interesting.
Signed accurately kleverovskaya, and the things themselves are not they written?
And this is recorded in these examinations, GTG.Grabarya?

[AlexanderG]

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 I do agree with the second definition.

 Mne ono toze blize.


With modern forgeries clear the artist is aware of what will be the use of his copy of the * application *. A signature is not relevant to the author and is poddelka.sovremenaya it net.dazhe or when the work performed by students.

Ne sovsem tak. Byl dlinneishii debat na etu temu, istochnik ne pomniu, eto bylo v moi gody obucheniia na Art History v Auckland NZ, no vyvod byl, chto podpis 'iavliaetsia integral'noi chast'iu kartiny, i pri kopirovanii ne vozbraniaetsia ee ispol'zovat' .

I have long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)
Naverno.kto thrill and for his Ayvazovski?

A kakova al'ternativa, kto schitaet, chto oni ne podlinnye?

[kozhinart]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Esli hudoznik sam ne prodaiot, to svalit 'na nego budet ochen' trudno.

And if so: bought from the artist's painting is very similar to the artist NN.Zaplatili him? More ... given the amount of the artist NN, sold, but the buyer finds out that it is not NN ... The artist was asked to purchase just emit a signature artist NN, to ascertain the ability to .. It is not necessary ... They took samples .. then the artist receives a substantial sum for the sold work, not normal for his fees or otherwise ... .. It gives them an unknown benefactor ... The fact that the artist suddenly razbogotel know the right people ... Winner of forgery proiformirovan that the artist of all deceived, and here the artist's hit by a car ... It is possible for another, it's just thinking ... There is the way memories of the artist who made the forgery Pts. interesting ...

[gans]

Maybe not quite in the subject.
A copy of Soutine, an Odessa artist Sergei Lykov.

http://sergeylykov.com/index.html

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от kozhinart

And if so: bought from the artist's painting is very similar to the artist NN.Zaplatili him? amount ...

Posle etogo hudoznik ni o chiom ne bespokoitsia.

Then given an artist NN, sold, but the buyer finds out that it is not NN ...

I nachinaet zadavat 'voprosy prodavtsu.

The artist was asked to purchase just emit a signature artist NN, to ascertain the ability to .. It is not necessary ... They took samples ..

Eto v seroi zone.

Then the artist receives a substantial sum for the sold work, not normal for his fees ...

Povezlo, tsena dogovornaia.

Or otherwise .. It gives them an unknown benefactor ... The fact that the artist suddenly razbogotel know the right people ...

Tak mnogo ne dadut

Winner of forgery proiformirovan that the artist all deceived

Hudoznik ze ne obmanyval!


and here the artist's hit by a car ...

Ne povezlo!

It is possible for another, it's just thinking ... There is the way memories of the artist who made the forgery Pts. interesting ...

Kakogo hudoznika vy imeete v vidu?

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Сообщение от kozhinart

fake holder proiformirovan that the artist all deceived, and here the artist's hit by a car ...

This is literature.
Read: Dina Rubina "The white dove of Cordoba". http://lib.aldebaran.ru/author/rubin...ordovy__0.html

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kakogo hudoznika vy imeete v vidu?

Legends and myths of the art market.

[AlexanderG]

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

This is literature.
Read: Dina Rubina "The white dove of Cordoba". http://lib.aldebaran.ru/author/rubin...ordovy__0.html

Ne osilil, proboval ..

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Legends and myths of the art market.

A eto kniga? Esli da, to kto avtor?

[mihailovoh]

Cyril Syzransky,
 In ekpertizah ukazano.chto work performed W clover and students. signature matches the reference. I incidentally. gave a list of known works M.V.Obolenskogo.tam is not a job. he performed the work in the studio of clover in the early 20th