Вернуться   Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство > English forum > Chatter
 English | Русский Forum ARTinvestment.RU RSS Регистрация Дневники Справка Сообщество Сообщения за день Поиск

Chatter General discussion.

Ответ
 
Опции темы Опции просмотра
Старый 01.12.2009, 17:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
Гуру
 
Аватар для Тютчев
 
Регистрация: 19.09.2008
Сообщений: 5,529
Спасибо: 4,883
Поблагодарили 11,836 раз(а) в 2,947 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 8
Репутация: 22525
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Sergeyitch Посмотреть сообщение
Even not easy to repeat. In the selected phrase is written: The first person on the public channel, every day about the country. Then I ask: You little of this information?
I was little. And you?



Цитата:
Сообщение от Sergeyitch Посмотреть сообщение
Let's say simply: Unless a full-fledged political competition, no government is not biased channels do not give you more information about the country.
And about the main problem you do not speak, but Madonna has absolutely nothing.

I'm talking about, as I consider it necessary to speak, and say exactly what I say. I do not understand why I have to say about political competition? You think that I speechwriter of the president? Or maybe you think I'm the president himself?



Тютчев вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 01.12.2009, 20:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
Гуру
 
Аватар для Кирилл Сызранский
 
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 75,466
Спасибо: 27,924
Поблагодарили 55,361 раз(а) в 24,302 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102421
Отправить сообщение для Кирилл Сызранский с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию In the subject.

Lies on the stream
friday, 27.11.2009
Matthew Ganapolsky

OSCE criticized the TV stations operating in Russia, Belarus and other former Soviet bloc countries.
Almost all TV channels in those countries controlled by the authorities or being close to his clan, and therefore may become a threat to the security of the world, if they are used as a vehicle for propaganda.
Told the OSCE Representative on Freedom of Expression, Miklos Haraszti. We can not talk about democracy, free elections, when the population of these countries received information from television, in the hands of the state - he said.


***

When our emigrants came to the United States, we first tried to find a native radio station Voice of America "because she spoke in Russian.
Local shook their heads: some did not even know of this radio station, some did not know how her words.
Only later did some expert finally explained that the Voice of America "- this is a public radio station. A state radio has broadcast rights for its own citizens, because every time some government in power, which holds a certain policy. And this government has no right to explain their own citizens, what is it good, that is, to agitate for themselves.

You ask, and who U.S. authorities banned it?
American authorities themselves.

Of course, nobody wants to have disappeared from Russia's box of praise about the wonderful premiere.
Fancy at least, to have disappeared programs which spread hatred of foreigners, to tell news about the real Russia, not the one that the Russians are trying to vparit.

And the OSCE did not exaggerating, that the main promotional channels in Russia, and this is called courage, 1 st, Russia, NTV and TVC are a threat to peace.
They, on the instructions of Putin's propagandists, every day constructing the image of the enemy.
That Georgia, then Ukraine, then America, then Belarus, Britain, the Baltic states.

It is certainly possible for it to pull the plug, and can be viewed differently.
Misinformation own people - a crime that Russia and the people are misinformed. Those who are imprisoned goskanaly on false propaganda, those who carry this propaganda - criminals!

However, no one entertains the hope that someone will carry responsibility for this - with a new president, the situation did not change, despite the words.
Blacklists of those who can not show and invite - know about them all.

But anyway, this rampant nonsense comes to an end - the Internet is doing its part.
True, he creates a parallel truthful reality that does not know everything, but it is people who see the Internet now and decide policy. And advocates have long been on the payroll are not dangerous, because they refuse to watch only pensioners.

Pity the other - the fight against Russia's television of its citizens is carried out for our own taxes.
But okay, so that the world once again saw the true face of the shameful Kremlin Russia, I am ready to spend part of their taxes.
Especially since I just pay the money, but disgracing themselves.

http://echo.msk.ru/programs/replika-...y/637498-echo/



Кирилл Сызранский вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 01.12.2009, 21:31 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
Гуру
 
Аватар для наследник
 
Регистрация: 08.02.2009
Адрес: Петербург
Сообщений: 2,497
Спасибо: 278
Поблагодарили 598 раз(а) в 403 сообщениях
Репутация: 893
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Sergeyitch Посмотреть сообщение
The first person on the public channel, every day about the country.
You really mean it? Do not ironic?
__________________
невозможно - это всего лишь мнение.



наследник вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 02.12.2009, 09:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #14
Гуру
 
Аватар для Тютчев
 
Регистрация: 19.09.2008
Сообщений: 5,529
Спасибо: 4,883
Поблагодарили 11,836 раз(а) в 2,947 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 8
Репутация: 22525
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky Посмотреть сообщение
OSCE criticized the TV stations operating in Russia, Belarus and other former Soviet bloc countries.
Almost all TV channels in those countries controlled by the authorities or being close to his clan, and therefore may become a threat to the security of the world, if they are used as a vehicle for propaganda.
Told the OSCE Representative on Freedom of Expression, Miklos Haraszti. We can not talk about democracy, free elections, when the population of these countries received information from television, in the hands of the state - he said.
...

... Only then some expert finally explained that the Voice of America "- this is a public radio station. A state radio has broadcast rights for its own citizens, because every time some government in power, which holds a certain policy. And this government has no right to explain their own citizens, what is it good, that is, to agitate for themselves.

You ask, and who U.S. authorities banned it?
American authorities themselves.

Cyril Syzransky, Do you really believe that such a super powerful, I would say the most powerful in the world of bureaucracy, as the U.S. State Department does not propaganda? You really so naive or you consciously trying to convince us with Matveyushkoy Ganapolskim this? You think we are so stupid?

The scale of the U.S. State Department propaganda is so colossal that applies to the whole world, penetrate to all points of the planet. Confirmation of this lies not need ... They are everywhere ...

Here's the article confirming the use of the U.S. State Department to promote its policy of among its own citizens:


Bill Van Auken
 
The Bush administration justifies the use of covert propaganda in the U.S.

Last week, the Bush administration has ordered government agencies to ignore the ruling chief of the Main Control and Financial Management USA, which prohibits dissemination of "covert propaganda."

It is an expression - usually in connection with police states - have been used Senior Accountant (GAO), research arm of Congress, in describing the distribution of video news produced by the Pentagon, State Department and at least 18 other U.S. government agencies. GAO ordered to cease to distribute these videos on the grounds that they "conceal or inaccurately indicate the audience that it is a government agency was the source material.

In the article on the front page of the Sunday issue of The New York Times described in detail by the Government increase the use of video, simulating real subjects of news programs. This includes the use of agents, public relations, acting as reporters from the scene ", and" interviews "with government, carefully orchestrated scenario.

The Times quoted the report of the Democratic Congress, where it was estimated that during his first term, the Bush administration has spent $ 254 million on public relations contracts that pay for the release of these videos, is almost twice the amount spent by the Clinton administration over the past 4 years of his reign .

Article describes a system in which thousands of videovypuskov news, or VNR, published annually. They are sent as a television network and on local stations, translating to tens of millions of viewers as if it were an independent product news departments stations.

In some cases teleprodyucsery editing titles, erasing mention that the subjects produced a government agency. In others, their own journalists write their voice-overs, nachityvaya directly from the script of the government.

Читать дальше... 
In this powerful propaganda operation is made by the State Department and Pentagon videosegmenty news intended for submission to the U.S. war in Iraq to the American people. Various agencies have created television programs that attempt to present dubious programs provided by the Bush administration, in the best possible light.

Department of Defense opened its own "Pentagon Channel, issuing false news releases, interviews and video clips for American television stations. The State Department uses a dramatically expanded network of translation services with the same purpose.

Head of the Main Control and financial management David Walker issued a Feb. 17 directive that defines this practice as a violation of the Appropriation Act, which prohibits the use of government funds to pay for covert propaganda aimed at the American people.

In response, the Legal Counsel Division of the Ministry of Justice on Friday issued its own ruling. It argues that the administration "does not agree with GAO, that the ban on covert propaganda is applicable only because the role of the public body in the production and dissemination of information is unclear or" hidden ", regardless of whether the" propaganda "content of the message.

Deputy Attorney General Steven Bradbury wrote in support of the government: "Our view is that the prohibition does not apply where there is no protection of a specific point of view, and therefore does not apply to the legitimate provision of information concerning agency programs."

At a press conference on Monday, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher echoed this official line, defending their own videos of the Ministry. "First, it is elementary facts and materials about what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, or often in the U.S. relating to important issues," he said. "And it is not - I can not call it propaganda. This, as you know, video clips, which are assembled together and that people can use for reporting on events. "

At a press conference Wednesday, President Bush mocked a reporter's question about why the government does not include clear information on the sources of their "gotovlennye-to-use reports." Mimicking the last line of his campaign ads, Bush replied: "You mean the recognition, I George W. Bush and I ... [authorized this message]. "

The report, "The Times" refers to a mutually beneficial relationship the government and the media underlying the use of these videovypuskov news, pointing at the same time, the causes of media complicity in the main economy of public relations and television news.

The report states: "Local affiliates are spared from the cost of digging up original material. PR firms are provided with government contracts worth millions of dollars. Major networks to help distribute the releases, are paid from government agencies, producing stories, and its affiliates, their broadcasting. The administration, meanwhile, gets his message presented in the guise of conventional reportage.

In an editorial published on Wednesday, the Washington Post condemned the government's practice as "illegal and unreasonable", lamenting at the same time: "It is humiliating that local news stations, no matter how limited their staff, and as if they are not needed material, allow themselves to be used that way. "

What is strangely missing in these definitions, it is an analysis of political and ideological tendencies within the media, which did covert government propaganda broadcast not only acceptable but also practically indistinguishable from the material prepared by the television networks.

In the long process that reached a qualitatively new level with the advent of the current Bush administration and the denouement illegal war in Iraq, the media actually took on the task of promoting government and corporate interests. Now the government along with private corporations to systematically develop their own covert propaganda, imitating the form of television. The result is something like a room with laughter, where the images presented to the American people, are a gross distortion of reality.

Disputes over distribution of government propaganda disguised as news, began after a series of scandals that are noteworthy and the fact that exposes how the Bush administration manipulates the media, and the relative indifference of the media itself.

Earlier this year, it was disclosed that the Ministry of Education has paid 240 thousand dollars right commentator Armstrong Williams as part of a "connection with minorities" (Williams-black-red.) In favor of the Bush administration's "No child is not forgotten." Williams used his newspaper column and his performances on radio and television to publicize the program, without specifying that he has paid the government.

Similar, although less expensive contracts with right-wing commentators for commercial sexual abstinence and marriage promotion program administration, were revealed later.

Then there was another strange incident with James Gakertom - also known as Jeff Gannon - right-wing political operative, who was allowed two years of pretending a member of the press staff of the White House (at a daily pass for its invented name). There are sufficient reasons to believe that Gakert /Gannon was podsazhen in the press room for tossing nonaggressive questions designed to reflect a more serious attempt to call the White House correspondents.

He was last seen after a press conference on Jan. 26, when he proposed to ask Bush - something almost always prepared in advance. He asked the ideological "nevopros", asked the president how he could work with Democrats in the Senate, "which seems to be completely detached from reality."

Investigations authors blogging and web sites have discovered that Gannon was actually Gakertom and that he was both owner and a prostitute on several Internet sites that disseminate male prostitution with military gay theme - http://hotmilitarystud. com , http://militaryescort.com and others. The so-called news site, which he represented, was a well-known property of the Texas Republican and Bush confidant, Bobby Eberle.

It was also revealed that Gakertu /Gannon seems to have provided access to an internal memo to the CIA, representing the wife of Ambassador Joe Wilson as an undercover CIA agent. Authority to provide information leaked in retaliation for exposing Wilson claims that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Niger for its defunct nuclear program. Gakert /Gannon admitted that he was interrogated in this case FBI agents.

We can only guess what would be a roar went up, if it was proved that the Clinton administration provided the same location - and possibly the state secrets - the individual was moonlighting as a prostitute - regardless of his or her sex or sexual orientation.

While the case Gannon - a revelation about the administration of covert dissemination of propaganda and bribery commentators - was considered by corporate media as a minor mistake. None of the revelations of egregious government manipulated the press did not receive and share the attention that honored two years ago, Jason Blair's journalistic sins, a young reporter for The New York Times, the person for the fabrication of quotations and plagiarism in articles on minor details.

This reaction is equivalent to the criminal silence. These incidents are not exceptions but rather are symptoms of corporate control over the media, which regularly serve as a vehicle for government propaganda, and late stages of decomposition, which swept through the democratic processes in the United States.

Defiant stubbornness in defense of his administration "rights" propaganda fed to either of the unsuspecting public is comparable with the consent of the media to disseminate articles and broadcast the video, intended to deceive rather than inform or expose. This secret cooperation has been excellent expression of two years ago in the preparation of the aggression against Iraq based on lies, which repeated the media.

Giant corporations control all the television networks, while a few large conglomerates systematically centralized power have almost all the newspapers of the country. Corporate interests dominate from top to bottom, and the media give rise to multi-caste, "personalities" whose wealth is directly related to their relationships with the leading figures in government and big business.

This is the same environment that promotes the application of the Bush administration's methods of "covert propaganda" against the American people, which in an earlier era had been procured for use by the CIA to destabilize foreign governments.

The Bush administration has always had devoted huge resources to manipulate visual display of political slogans and propaganda designed to promote and disguise their predatory policies. However, the increase in cases of egregious practices of false news releases, paid commentators and columnists, acting as journalists, is characteristic of the regime at the stage of crisis, when he was desperately afraid that if he becomes aware of the extent of his crimes, he will face uncontrollable political upheavals.

Submitted by http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ma...prop-m17.shtml

Translated Sergei Mashnenko http://left.ru/2005/7/auken124.phtml


Does not the scale is impressive! Yes, in comparison with that of our children simply!



Тютчев вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Тютчев за это полезное сообщение:
Ухтомский (27.12.2009)
Старый 02.12.2009, 10:36 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
Гуру
 
Аватар для Konstantin
 
Регистрация: 28.03.2008
Сообщений: 9,415
Спасибо: 1,532
Поблагодарили 29,854 раз(а) в 6,714 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 10
Репутация: 27272
По умолчанию

Well, here again it came down to the propaganda of the United States.
As I understand it, any topic is not about the art comes in the end about the machinations of the United States.



Konstantin вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 02.12.2009, 10:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
Гуру
 
Аватар для Тютчев
 
Регистрация: 19.09.2008
Сообщений: 5,529
Спасибо: 4,883
Поблагодарили 11,836 раз(а) в 2,947 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 8
Репутация: 22525
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Konstantin Посмотреть сообщение
Well, again it came down to the propaganda of the United States.
As I understand it, any topic is not about the art comes in the end about the machinations of the U.S..


You also noticed? This siptomatichno, is not it?

U.S. a major player in the world political scene. They are either directly or indirectly are almost all the wars of the postwar period! The scale of their activities are enormous ... What can you do that is the reality ...



Тютчев вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Эти 2 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо Тютчев за это полезное сообщение:
AlexanderG (02.12.2009), Ухтомский (27.12.2009)
Старый 02.12.2009, 12:34 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 22.12.2008
Сообщений: 1,714
Спасибо: 2,990
Поблагодарили 2,459 раз(а) в 639 сообщениях
Репутация: 4794
По умолчанию

"Taboo" and "stamp" is in the media of any country - and not very democratic. In any country there is an unofficial list of themes and names, of which it is desirable to write and not otherwise. Only the civilized world calls it "self-regulation of media." Ie directly to one no one points out the media like all very aware, conscious of its responsibility to the citizens. For, whatever one may say, the press - is an element of propaganda. Do not control it can only be completely happy country. In a country where, because of hearing about the shortage of salt together organized queue for matches and oil control is needed. Freedom of speech is not absolute. Immediately there who will control your media, just the other "motivation" will be used.



Мимопроходил вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Мимопроходил за это полезное сообщение:
AlexanderG (02.12.2009)
Старый 02.12.2009, 12:36 Язык оригинала: Русский       #18
Гуру
 
Аватар для Кирилл Сызранский
 
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 75,466
Спасибо: 27,924
Поблагодарили 55,361 раз(а) в 24,302 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102421
Отправить сообщение для Кирилл Сызранский с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Mimoprohodil Посмотреть сообщение
Freedom of speech is not absolute.
I've already heard in the Soviet Union, where even in the very phrase "free speech" in the camp and sent to psychiatric hospitals.



Кирилл Сызранский вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 02.12.2009, 12:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #19
Гуру
 
Аватар для Кирилл Сызранский
 
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 75,466
Спасибо: 27,924
Поблагодарили 55,361 раз(а) в 24,302 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102421
Отправить сообщение для Кирилл Сызранский с помощью Skype™
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от heir Посмотреть сообщение
I liked your "there". Remarkably "there"!
Of course there is not here, USSR isdoh and buried, thank God!



Кирилл Сызранский вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Старый 02.12.2009, 12:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #20
Гуру
 
Регистрация: 22.12.2008
Сообщений: 1,714
Спасибо: 2,990
Поблагодарили 2,459 раз(а) в 639 сообщениях
Репутация: 4794
По умолчанию

Цитата:
Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky Посмотреть сообщение
I've already heard in the Soviet Union, where even in the very phrase "free speech" in the camp and sent to the loony bin.
Dispute long. Any society to grow up close to the concept of "free speech", he immediately starts looking for a very taboos and rules. Examples of need? Everted principles of the Soviet society are afraid to, but to live by these fears are not worth it. Our news media to freedom of speech - as a picture with ibeya to the originals. "But the media - as a propagandist, and otrazitel state of society. Whole society to a state of freedom is still very far away. So why in the mirror to blame ... All IMHO.



Мимопроходил вне форума   Ответить с цитированием
Ответ


Ваши права в разделе
Вы не можете создавать новые темы
Вы не можете отвечать в темах
Вы не можете прикреплять вложения
Вы не можете редактировать свои сообщения

BB коды Вкл.
Смайлы Вкл.
[IMG] код Вкл.
HTML код Выкл.

Быстрый переход

Похожие темы
Тема Автор Разделы Ответов Последние сообщения
Russia. Art Market. gans Art Kaleidoscope 5 03.09.2009 10:24
Fine Arts on the TV channel "Culture" Евгений Art Kaleidoscope 0 11.05.2009 13:29
BEST OF RUSSIA. Exhibition of finalists for "Best Photos of Russia - 2008" Vladimir In pictures 9 22.02.2009 22:48
And you thought it happens only in Russia? LCR Art Kaleidoscope 3 06.10.2008 12:05




Часовой пояс GMT +3, время: 11:35.
Telegram - Обратная связь - Обработка персональных данных - Архив - Вверх


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Перевод: zCarot