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Старый 02.10.2009, 13:32 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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the answer to all problems lies in the Provenance
Leave, I beg of you - what provenance!
Honestly, I'm surprised at you.



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Старый 02.10.2009, 13:40 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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leave, I beg of you - what provenance!
Honestly, I'm surprised at you.
It is possible that you are right! But let's wait until the distinguished author of the theme answer all questions.



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Старый 02.10.2009, 13:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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Dear Allena, Vyacheslav,
You, as a connoisseur, of course know best - and the quality of painting, and paintings belong to a single author or not, and whether the hammer or not. I do not argue. I am not an art, in painting do not understand, and to your community do not have a highbrow attitude.
All our pictures (I have already contacted here for help with the attribution of one painting, and here on the forum it is also called the originating from a flea market) have the same origin. Several years ago we bought them abroad. The gross. One lot from the heirs of a deceased professor. I have his name, and write that he lectured at the Academy of Fine Arts in Vienna, and whether in Bucharest, or in Budapest, I do not remember, had not looked into this paper. I always confuse them (Bucharest to Budapest). For these ordinary people, away from high areas, the main value of the inheritance handed down was a huge mansion on the outskirts of a major south-German city. So that was inside the house, they did not "steamed". They had to quickly leave the house with all fixtures located inside the house to sell quickly.
It is banal provenance. Such grandparents, and such Russian there in Europe a lot. Of course, we bought a "pig in a poke." Moreover, they themselves are far from these areas. But our "investment" is already fully paid off. Some paintings we have sold quite well. And now I decided to deal with some "dark horse" ... Including this mysterious "Nikitin" th.
PS The first picture is the same signature is present in the lower right corner ...
PPS Where the picture was from my grandfather - I do not know. All records of the collector were simply thrown away.

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I can not resist, not to speak out more about your favorite "provena'nse. It is tempting to pronounce that word with a French accent ...
I am sure that serious professionals of the market can not take the notion seriously. For the professional operators in your market is the usual marketing tool to get more profit from selling their goods. And it is designed to manipulate the buyer. But not each other.
What percentage of truth in the provenance, which sold paintings at auctions? And what percentage of the truth such as the biographies of politicians, for whom their public biography of the same provenance? And how many percent truth in advertising the goods? etc. and TP
Even I can not really hesitate to invent some plausible biography for any pictures, and a proof that this is true ...



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Старый 02.10.2009, 14:39 Язык оригинала: Русский       #14
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Parmenio, the attribution of work - this is usually long and complicated process that requires time and study the vast amount of information at first glance unrelated to atributiruemoy picture. And the study of the history of existence of the picture, where it was kept as a hit to the present owner - that is all that which is composed of provenance - is usually the most important part of work on attribution. Moreover, it is often provenance allows you to put the final point in the investigation. And sometimes, as it is in your case, provenance is the basis of the investigation.
 
Let's understand. Russian author's last name written in Cyrillic, plus Indian and North African subjects, plus the origin of works from a single collection, based in Europe - all this gives grounds for the initial assumption that the author - Russian, and, as I said, Russian emigrant, whose fate in the world shook. Immediately determine the artist's complicated. Special artistic education he probably still does not exist; primary, might have been. And perhaps we are dealing with products capable of self-taught.
Furthermore. After all its ordeals artist settled in Europe - possibly in Germany, and perhaps in Hungary or Romania (Budapest, or Bucharest). If the collection were works of more well-known authors, it is perhaps the only way to study - read their biographies, letters, acquainted with their creativity. Perhaps in this way you will find among their friends of a Russian Nikitina. For example, you notice that among the authors of your paintings for a few people at one time lived in the same town, were familiar, perhaps, formed a kind of artistic society. Then it is logical to assume that the collector was interested in works of representatives of this community and, perhaps, Nikitin also belonged to it.

Pay attention to the subjects and manners of other paintings from the collection: paintings by analogy Nikitin and works of famous artists you can also tell where to look Nikitin.

Among Russian immigrants was a lot of people who have left the picturesque heritage. Among them are well-known names, but most of those who were known only to a narrow circle of acquaintances. I think "your" Nikitin refers precisely to them. So much work is waiting for you.
Here at the forum, there is everyone: sometimes a portrait of an unknown model or unknown author restores the original names. Many times it was that the arguments of the forum helping newcomers not to fall into the hands of fraudsters and refuse to purchase questionable even in the photo works.

But the "highbrow community" - is not Grabar Institute and expertise center GTG. We see the work only in photographs, usually not very good quality, so try to help the least, so that to determine the search path directions , and expert advice with signatures and stamps issued in another place. Good luck to you in your research.
Best regards,
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you do not have highbrow community relations
A pity.
Maybe then I would not confuse Bucharest to Budapest.



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Старый 02.10.2009, 20:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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Thank you very much, Allena, for your friendly feedback.
Your recommendations are certainly very useful for me.
I understand how difficult and time-consuming process attributirovaniya pictures ...
But I turned on the forum is not for the attribution of these paintings.
I asked for information about the artist Nikitin. I received in response to some rotten tomatoes. You all call this not so Nikitin Nikitin, and a single example of work that Nikitina, I did not see ...
So what that shows Morocco and India? I do not see the obstacles ... So please - that Nikitin, a graduate VKhUTEMAS and member of Artel Tashkent artists, could not write these pictures, that's what the picture he wrote ...
I feel hurt all of you, calling highbrow community. Please forgive me. : p
Just me confess a little hurt, when the spices with this forum with such ease niskoprobnye stick labels on submitted pictures. And not only me ...
At the base of this project involves a series of paintings from the same source, realized in the market. Of course, pictures with untwisted name auctions and galleries taking pleasure ... Here, for example look at the picture Shelumova that sellers called walk. This image is so strannenkaya that I am sure that if I showed it for attribution in this forum, its one-hundred percent would be called the ibeyskoy lazhey. And now she has a "provenAAAAns", a history of sales. And now, once it is legalized in the market, call it ibeyskoy lazhey or painting with a hammer, is like a language and do not turn ... Although what has changed? It has remained the same! But for some it - "bullshit", while others have made of it the standard, which will now be measured by all the other pictures that are included in the market. Well, exactly, Alice in Wonderland!
But I do not want your ads to my issue went away.
Maybe all still recommend that you can read about the artist G. Nikitin? More for internet links will be grateful, because at my office life rummaging in libraries particularly busy.



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Старый 03.10.2009, 19:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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Dear forum users, here is another picture, signed "Nikitin".
Do you find that the one with a turkey?
If this is unknown emigre named Nikitin, whom fate threw in various countries, as suggested Allena, then both its turnover could reach Soviet newspaper? Sorry, that wrote that speech in the newspaper was about the cotton harvest. This is a quirk of my memory - I have not seen this picture more than two years. It deals with what is agricultural, but not of cotton.
A reminder that appeal to the forum hoping to get something like the sample signature Nikitina, GN, some examples of his work, a reference to any source of his creativity - books, articles, internet resource. Maybe - recommend some specialist who could say for sure whether the work painted by George Nikitin Nikolayevich or not.
I beg to leave with them characteristics such as "messy", "bullshit", "hammer", "ibey" etc., in my experience such anonymous spitting nothing, but it upset me. : (
Помогите информацией! Или промолчите. Thank you!
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