Rate this picture: Aivazovsky and Khudyakov

[vyadem]

Сообщение от Denisss

Why do we need it

For example, if you intend to sell Aivazovsky, this master of the first magnitude! And in order to confirm or deny his authorship should undertake a comprehensive examination. A lot of fakes, copies of works of his pupils, etc.

[Дениссс]

Thank you very much! And the question, only in the capital, expertise can be? If this still does Ayvazhovsky, then to what extent it might cost? I ask to what because of the relatively small amount, I will not bother, as well as some may be expert studies? Somehow, nobody paid attention to the picture Khudyakov. This artist nobody heard? If you know the answers to these questions, pozhalysta, response.

[vyadem]

Сообщение от Denisss

I asked him to, because of the relatively small amount, I will not bother

Denisss, if it Aivazovsky, fiddle ... such is the size of the auction at least 100-200 thousand USD
I think it kind of Peter from the bay ...

[Amateur]

Сообщение от Denisss

Aivazovsky wrote with a certain Latri M.

  "Some" is Michael M. Latri Pelopidovich Latri (1875 - 1941), grandson of Ivan Aivazovsky himself a very famous artist.

Strangely, it seems that you are asking the question in this forum, not looked before this in Google - there is enough stuff "Latri" - and everything will become clear.

[vyadem]

Amateur, I see you are from St. Petersburg ... tell me, it can be view on the city by the bay? In the background Issakievskogo dome of the cathedral and the spire of Peter and Paul fortress?

[Вивьен]

Very similar in form to Issakievsky Cathedral and the dome of the same gold.

[Amateur]

Сообщение от vyadem

tell me it can be view on the city by the bay? In the background Issakievskogo dome of the cathedral and the spire of Peter and Paul fortress?

I think that they are. This type is possible from anywhere from 2-3 km from the seaside Vasilevsky Island (see map, where the green lines show the possible field of view of the artist). Judging by the type of ship, then it is about time not later than 1870. Then the western part of the VO (Harbor) was built up rarely, with low houses, and did not close the panorama from the sea. Then existing dominant VO - Catherine's church bell tower and Andrew's Cathedral closed sailing ship, and the Annunciation Cathedral - a sailboat in the left side of the picture. Left Bank Big Neva was also opened - the Admiralty dockyard plant did not exist. Sailing ship shields and the spire of the Admiralty.

[ВЯЧЕСЛАВ]

Perhaps in the dating marina will help ensign.
In 1701, instead of one ensign was introduced three varieties (for different parts of the fleet): white (kordebataliya), blue (the vanguard) and red (rear guard) with the Saltire in a white canton. Names of parts of the fleet came from the French words: "Corps de Bataille", "Avant Guarde" and "Arriere Guarde".

The First Division has raised the white ensign (and therefore called the division the white flag), the second division - the blue flag (with the Saltire in the canton) and the third division - the red ensign with the Saltire in the canton.

Ships of the first squadron in each division are held on the main-topmast white pennant with the St. Andrew's flag in the head, the second ship of the squadron - a blue pennant with the St. Andrew's flag in the head, the third squadron of ships - a red pennant with the St. Andrew's flag in the head.
"Colored" flags are preserved in the Russian Navy until 1865, although abolished in 1732-1743 and 1764-1797, respectively. Black Sea Fleet "colored" flags are not used. Blue Flag in the future become ensigns auxiliary vessels, and the red for many years later, in modern Russia, the flag ship MVD. (sm.Flagi navy Russia Empire)
And if we consider the observation Amateur-Judging by the type of boat, then this is the time not later than 1870, it turns out that Michael Pelopidovich Latri (1875 - 1941) This product may not have a relationship. But it was so clear.
With regard to the authorship of Ivan Aivazovsky - the last word for professional ekspertami.Voobsche, the image of the ship directly aspiring smoke (and this despite the fact that wind disrupts the crests of waves) which is amateurish.

[Дениссс]

Yesterday took the box to sfotat and measure now, it appears that under the signature of Aivazovsky inscription Rome. I also thought that Peter seems. But, like Rome. Measured the painting without a frame, under the frame just hid part - 530mm vertical, horizontal 355 mm. And Khudyakova 450mm to 306mm. By the way, why pro Khudyakova no one said anything. Thank you so much for the valuable information. By the way, the comments that Latri born later and could not take part in the establishment. But he could finish the painting and later. And what about the battle scenes Aivazovsky, events which were also before the birth of the wizard? Right now will try to throw off the pictures.

[Дениссс]

Here are the photos. By the way, may be signed, that Rome, in the sense Peterburg third Rome, though not exactly remember, this expression is not about whether Moscow was said