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Старый 21.03.2014, 16:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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fairness of four lots sold Bugaev three. Only one anti- Lissitzky not find a buyer .
I repeat that Mr. Bugaev for its more than 25letniyu creative. biography settled in private collections in sufficient quantity. Therefore, it will offer long deliverers they buy. And the new owners will inevitably consider purchasing only because he - a member of the Leningrad group New Artists , a large collection of works which has and promotes our country in the face of the museum on a national scale - belt . And because of this , although in my personal taste , the creativity Bugaev is no artistic value , not going anywhere - is of historical value . Bugaev - not beginners young artist who is only important for the fact that his work is bought \\\\ bought . For the author of an autobiography with such important at what price . A growing trend , which quite rightly pointed out above Oleg Nazarov, tragic. Only in the last six months : flags fell from 10 000 to 7000
Lot 32 Vladey Fall 2013
Sergei Bugaev Africa
Affaziya (dedication R.Yakobsonu ) , 2000e
Ready flag embroidery
125 x 175 cm
€ 10,000

Lot 53 Vladey Spring 2014
Sergei Bugaev Africa
Affaziya , 1994
Ready flag embroidery
130 x 155 cm
€ 8,000 - 10,000
Sold for € 7,000

: Acrylic "Anti- Lissitzky " one sold at the bottom bracket for 6000 and the second following her 5000 . Thus, the auction price acrylic Bugaev par with the price of acrylic Krisanova , the latter being smaller and Nth repeated earlier work 80th . Krisanov in Mr. Bugaev laborer works : paintings hanging on the exhibitions , their packs , transports , transports and perform other menial jobs . Now they were both equal "weight " category. One of them as a human would be difficult to go through this unpleasant fact . Especially in comparison with the current prices of such New as Gur'yanov Novikov .

However , the reputation of the artist , of course, do not auction records, and :
1) the presence of his works in the collections of major national museums , and acquired the procurement commission and not received a gift
2) an extensive list of solo exhibitions
3) constant self-development , which watch it our colleagues , critics, collectors , and not cloning decades of the same " rehash "
4) in the presence of the iconic prints leading national museums

Rhetorical question - that the author or his collector is of great importance : the auction record Vladey or presence of , for example, a full-fledged edition belt devoted to Russian art 1985-2000 gg . , And accompanying exhibition. Quite fresh edition 2012 Evaluates the last quarter of the 20th century. Small circulation of 2000 copies . , But expensive , printed in Italy. Among the many participants and the list of the Leningrad group New (alphabetically) : Bugaev , Gur'yanov, Bunny, Kozlov , Kotelnikov , Maslov, Novikov, Vadim Ovchinnikov , Savchenko , Von Stackelberg ( Sotnikov ) Khazanovich , Khlobystin Yufit . Bulls in the above publication is listed in , and Krisanova Gutsevich and it is not included. Ie evaluation of the significance of these three authors professionals belt turns significantly different from the one that appears on the results of auctions. And so I can not believe that the artist Krisanov , which I can not recall any personal exhibition , whose works did not buy belt ( Africa gave it to them and Novikov ) and who did not develop , and continues to exploit developments late 80s . judging by the content of the lot number 1 , it is worth on auction records at the moment as much as the city Bugaev .

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Not at all ( perhaps active work with third-party deliverers ahead
About that speech that deliverers , and in most of the authors , and all his people Preexisting abundantly. Probably, all giving each other's feet in circles around the city of Ovcharenko . Because it is possible to manipulate them .




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Старый 21.03.2014, 20:05 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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Rhetorical question - that the author or his collector is of great importance : the auction record Vladey or the presence of , for example, a full-fledged edition belt devoted to Russian art 1985-2000 gg . , And accompanying exhibition.
Apparently, not so rhetorical. I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence in one of the publications on art . And because you think otherwise? Krisanov was well represented in the " brush strokes " that is not enough. At these exhibitions of his many for himself and opened . The impact of the opinions of professionals in the market timing career as an artist , I would not be overestimated. In general, I admit, is not in itself of such a discussion style artists.
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Старый 21.03.2014, 22:05 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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Apparently, not so rhetorical. I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence in one of the publications on art . And because you think otherwise? Krisanov was well represented in the " brush strokes " that is not enough. At these exhibitions of his many for himself and opened . The impact of the opinions of professionals in the market timing career as an artist , I would not be overestimated. In general, I admit, is not in itself of such a style discussion of artists .
Of course, different.

 Trifle, but note : the exhibition called " Brushstroke " ( no plural ) and an exhibition with the same name was one ( so it is not clear what you mean by the phrase " at these shows " ) . The exhibition was held only in St. Petersburg , but not in Moscow or other cities , so many have not seen her . Preparing this exhibition and the accompanying catalog is belt specialists . Thus, it turns out, according to your words , and they have identified a career of this artist, because without this show , judging by your own words, Krisanova many would never have learned and have not opened . Open one of St. Petersburg's New in 2010 for lovers of contemporary art such as late, late twenty years . And in our narrow circles of St. Petersburg he had long been known to us for over 25 years, respectively, in comparison with other evaluated. Namely, in reality in the " Brushstroke " and, accordingly, this exhibition was presented Krisanov most meager way - only one work " Muhomorchik " (p. 172 directory ) , less is more modest and not just happens. Other participants were presented with a much wider , especially Kotelnikov , under which the exhibition and was "sharpened " . So that you , unfortunately , slightly embarrass . Style discussion , of course, is different , sometimes not easy , but you should at least understand the question, look through the catalog , which refers.
 
Discussed not only artists, auction prices for many artists, what objective factors may influence their formation and which came first established the artist's reputation in professional circles or auction ( sometimes the doubt ) record.




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The exhibition was held only in St. Petersburg, but not in Moscow or other cities, so many have not seen her.
In Moscow, the exhibition called "New coming!", It did the same curator that "Brushstroke".
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Старый 22.03.2014, 11:01 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
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No, it's a different show with different organizers and different directories. Curator , yes, one - Ekaterina Andreeva , a leading specialist of the newest trends Belt. Belt , in particular, provided the product from the collection to the exhibition MMSI. You're contradicting yourself , again referring to the edition prepared by professionals of art criticism and art ( but not auction ) environment.




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Lost the thread.
For which publication I refer?
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I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence of in one of the publications on art.
Next, you referred to the two exhibitions , and integral part of each of which are accompanying catalogs . Actually, this is the basic document that remains in history. On exhibition catalogs you did not refer directly .



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Apparently, not so rhetorical. I believe that the auction record at this stage of the author and collectors has greater significance than the presence in one of the publications on art . And because you think otherwise? Krisanov was well represented in the " brush strokes " that is not enough. At these exhibitions of his many for himself and opened . The impact of the opinions of professionals in the market timing career as an artist , I would not be overestimated. In general, I admit, is not in itself of such a style discussion of artists .
On the basis of auction sales artist museums make an assessment of purchased works of art, if these entries, refer to the evaluators , there is Art Consulting, he is doing . All matters to promote the artist. For some important criteria alone , for someone other .
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Today at the opening conversation with our forumchanin and found that he personally handed work Vladey. Contrary evil tongues ( those who believe that " all rigged ", " Ovcharenko only promotes its " etc.) people quite satisfied with the cooperation . Stopped " from the street " , cronyism and patronage without . To begin the proposal sent by e-mail , promptly received a reply from Ovcharenko . The organizers expressed interest , even came to see themselves work. Eventually took on the auction and sell something . Another says he knows of at least one real person who bought a 8 works . This here is a living testimony to the doubters .
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