The sixties?

[Jane Doe]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2772101 "

You- you realize that you wrote ?

A very well understand .

First, understand that the answer to your question

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2771791 "

Where is his work in the 40- 50's you could see ?

put you in an awkward position and now you turn inside , clinging to letters, numbers and Khrushchev.
Secondly , I understand and have always understood , like many who knew Tischler in life and his work , which was never Tyshler " the Sixties."
But as you and noticed:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2771791 "

for all your understanding .

Therefore, you stay at the, and I, like many others, will stay in his way.

I think it's time to end this dialogue , because I do not want to aggravate the situation and wasting time on something that so long ago was known.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Jane Doe; 2772151 "

put you in an awkward position and now you turn inside , clinging to letters, numbers and Khrushchev .

You will forgive me , have written crap - this time.
And the second : tortured swallowing dust (Putin), while I " put in an awkward position ". <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

But I am glad that you now know about Tischler . <! - ~ 5 ~ ->

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My question is swallowed, as I see it.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2771791 "

And , by the way , why, for example , animals and Yakovlev or Nemuhin and Yankilevsky - " Sixties "?

[U_Z]

" Sixties ", " non-conformists ", " representatives of the second wave of Russian avant-garde " is not always the same people . Although there are a number of artists for whom these terms are suitable , most often we think of them and compare with others.

In my opinion , AG Tyshler - non-conformist in the classic sense of the term.

[annagavr]

Сообщение от U_Z

"sixties", "non-conformists", "representatives of the second wave of Russian avant-garde" is not always the same people.

Is "Sixties" and "non-conformists" are not mutually exclusive?

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Jane Doe

Maybe I'm missing something , but I never thought of Alexander Tischler sixties . Yes, he had a different direction in the creative life of theatrical sketches , drawings and graphics to sculpture and painting. But in my understanding of the sixties - it is a beast , Sveshnikov, Yakovlev , Yankilevsky , Ruhin , Nemuhin and so on. Those who caused the creativity of the enraged Nikita Khrushchev and forced him to use the offensive .

I largely agree with you , but it is correct and that, in a light as an artist Alexander Tyshler re- released it in the sixties . Yes , it was a period of the 20's - early 30 's, when he was active ( and the same friendship with Labasa refers to the same period) , but then he went into the shadows and acted mostly as an artist , theater-goer . Its almost unknown outside of that environment. Thaw allowed him to show his work. And his work (especially the later ) , you see, was at odds with the official party line , that , probably, and allows you to classify it to the sixties .

Get the same Sveshnikov. Also quite a classic artist , and illustrated books officially , and a hot hand Khrushchev did not get , but sitting in the camps and involvement in Lianozovskoe circle immediately assigns it to the sixties - nonconformists . You can still take Oleg Vasiliev - he never broke the rules so fiercely , like, say, or Yankilevsky Rabin - or it 's a friend Bulatov ... Well, there were experiments with space , but not avant-garde avant-garde. But no, pure sixties .

And Tischler different story - like and official artist, but in the spirit and style of the clean -conformist : not explicitly give the Soviet with houses painted on their heads , angels, gypsies , God forbid ... Well, or it is necessary for him to invent a separate category at all .

[Сергей Дородный]

Very high quality painting.

"Yes, any student" - well, well

[I-V]

Сообщение от Alec Sander, 2772581

Well, it is necessary for him or even invent a separate category.

Probably not, because he himself, if I'm not mistaken, sought to isolation and are specific to the sixties "gruppovizma" shunned.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от annagavr; 2772531 "

Is " Sixties " and " non-conformists " are not mutually exclusive ?

I do not think so .
" Sixties " - this is not an ideological or even generational , but rather the words of Rassadin , " alias time ".
Aksenov , despite the " BURN ", " The Island of Crimea " and " Voltairean " and will be considered a " sixties " as Yevtushenko , Voznesensky, Okudzhava .

[annagavr]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I do not think so .
" Sixties " - this is not an ideological or even generational , but rather the words of Rassadin , " alias time ".
Aksenov , despite the " BURN ", " The Island of Crimea " and " Voltairean " and will be considered a " sixties " as Yevtushenko , Voznesensky, Okudzhava .

As I see it , the first was for the correction of " certain shortcomings " and the latter denied ignoring format . For me, " shestidesyatki " - is primarily listed your names. Either way members of different unions , etc.

[camertus]

I do not doubt it . Why are people drawn to Tischler - honestly do not understand. It seems obvious that the label n /a at least strange . The question was actually for those who are professionally engaged in the sixties , or collects them - who it could be . But it seems there is no such specialists , solid cultural studies . Sorry . And the fact that super thing - it's a fact . What the student ? ? ?

Сообщение от Sergei burly

Very high quality painting .
" Yes, any student " - well, well