Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

[манна]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

VALID PR Sapunkova <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Also thought about it when she read .
On the other hand, since iosif it does, shares his experience of promotion of a particular artist , and the text is a suitable example with Sapunkova , it is reasonable cause and not anybody else . Why pull the chestnuts out of the fire for someone when you can throw yourself ...
 

Сообщение от Grigory; 2743041 "

Now the question is 30,000 rubles - this is 60 times more than the 500 . Why ? For what? Is the picture changed ? Yes and no great fake signatures are not indulged . Answers to these questions is no , although attempts are being made .

Сообщение от Buscador; 2743621 "

Why, there are answers - good business. For you. And if such works are sold in the range of 500-800 , the client " Sovkoma " just " lohonulsya ." Finding the true information will have less trust ... " Scoops " ...

Maybe lohonulsya Joseph , selling for 800 , not 30,000 ..... <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

And in fact the answer to the following:
- Shovel , more eminent organization than your gallery .
- In the history of the auction , the audience is much larger than that of any gallery .
- The very sum of 30 thousand is quite adequate . You sell the gallery to 5 thousand , would not have left the picture at auction in more than 60 times , ie, for 300 thousand

Search for "information" is worth the time , and as you know the "time - money." The auction is ts primary ( in fact certainly secondary) professional selection (I speak only of sovriska ) for the novice collector.
 Ideally, the buying of the auction , the buyer saves time. Let's say there are 5 auctions sovriska of 100 lots. They sold pictures 300 artists (selected by professionals ) . It is more convenient otsmotret directories of 5 auctions than 50 sites galleries and even more so online resources such artnau , where a couple of hours alone with such an abundance HS starting to get sick of pictures at all, and others like it so much all at once, that they look at first ...

[Seriy]

I would add that buying at auction with a name, and the buyer gets an official confirmation of provenance and value as a supplement to purchase. Because a picture is worth a thousand just 30 with the hands, even nadodokazat and can not work, and bought at auction , here is the result , and the conversation begins about the cost of this amount.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от amateur collectors

This statement is completely illiterate - Russian mentality does not allow the use and repeated foreign experience.

And what is your mindset?
How is it different from the western?

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Сообщение от manna ; 2744161 "

Search for "information" is worth the time , and as you know the "time - money." The auction is ts primary ( in fact certainly secondary) professional selection (I speak only of sovriska ) for the novice collector.
Ideally, the buying of the auction , the buyer saves time. Let's say there are 5 auctions sovriska of 100 lots. They sold pictures 300 artists (selected by professionals ) . It is more convenient otsmotret directories of 5 auctions than 50 sites galleries and even more so online resources such artnau , where a couple of hours alone with such an abundance HS starting to get sick of pictures at all, and others like it so much all at once, that they look at first ...

I do not know what sovriska . I think vypodrazumevaete selection professionals. If no selection? You sebedoveryaete ? Maybe that ravitsya professionals bullshit and stand ?

[Fed]

Сообщение от Pavel

sebedoveryaete you?
Maybe that ravitsya professionals bullshit and stand?

It is better to choose what they like from the selected professionals, going out in the open field ...

[Buscador]

Сообщение от manna ; 2744161 "

Maybe lohonulsya Joseph , selling for 800 , not 30,000

Lohonulsya anyway buyer , if the market price is less than 60 times .

Сообщение от manna ; 2744161 "

Scoop , more eminent organization than your gallery .

And it's here where .

Сообщение от manna ; 2744161 "

itself is the sum of 30 thousand is quite adequate . You sell the gallery to 5 thousand , would not have left the picture at auction in more than 60 times , ie, for 300 million

It was not about me, not about a single gallery , and on the market and sold at auction . I do not know how you do in the Moscow, and in our province is hardly possible ... and uktsionah , provided a very successful tenderer , the price did not rise more than 5 times , compared to the " My Gallery " .

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Сообщение от manna

comfortable otsmotret directories of 5 auctions than 50 sites galleries and even more online resources

Preferred to be in the subject and does not overpay ...

[iosif]

Grigory, thank you.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Fed

Is it better to choose what they like from the selected professionals, going out in the open field ...

Still valid-that come gentleman, sir show us?
Have you asked yourself that could themselves be a professional that could sell at a fixed price.

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Сообщение от Buscador

lohonulsya in any case, the buyer, if the market price is 60 times smaller.

Do you think that after that tell the buyer?
Remember about the mentality?

[iosif]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

VALID PR Sapunkova <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Sure, it's a PR Sapunkova too. Although the private PR - too much effort .
The main purpose of writing another . Let's call it instinct popularizer . From childhood I always burned poobyasnyat around what I think he realized <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Why wrote a non -fiction articles in all the major n- n edition.
By the way, the main goal could be called a commercial . Who honestly teaches that sells more <! - ~ 1 ~ -> .
The second goal - conditionally commercial . Promote the development of the art market of the Russian Federation for the middle class and below. Here I have been working not only for themselves , I think.
And yet - the problem is NOT IMPOSSIBLE . I'm his first textbook on advertising written in 1991. There was then the advertising! And now there is . This is not to say that I created it . But the effort , then put <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Buscador

Where are the chemists, mathematicians and biologists ? Where are the " obese " academics . It seems to me all of about equal.

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Once again I would argue that today any good engineer \\\\ Programmer \\\\ chemist \\\\ biologist can make good money . In extreme cases - will wave to another city or country. A good specialist can always make good money .
On the artists it does not apply . About this paradox I'm saying.

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" Why, there are answers - good business. For you. And if such works are sold in the range of 500-800 , the client " Sovkoma "just" lohonulsya . " Finding accurate information will have less trust ... " Scoops " ... " Message from Buscador


Dear colleague , apparently, I poorly explained . A customer who purchases 30 000 for Sovkome was in no way deceived. Over 800 he could buy if I met this job for 10 years before that , or at least prior to the promotion . Such an opportunity does not and will never <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
By the way, if you happen to find someone on a rustic attic Shishkin and redeem for 10,000 rubles , and then sell at auction a few more, then your buyer - goof ?

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Buscador, but was not on the market price is less ! No longer was . There used to be , as long as the marketer was not. While the artist was unknown, more than a hundred professional reviews did not exist, did not organize exhibitions , printed catalogs , presentations took place.
When all this is done , even in the fastest time , the market price is another.
Unless, of course , the marketing was not mistaken in the choice of the artist and in their marketing activities. And also , if it is accompanied by good luck <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Actually, the whole point of my work and articles - to make cheap paintings by unknown artists precious paintings known . It is not found in the attic Shishkin <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Buscador]

Сообщение от iosif; 2744561 "

Dear colleague , apparently, I poorly explained . A customer who purchases 30 000 for Sovkome was in no way deceived. Over 800 he could buy if I met this job for 10 years before that , or at least prior to the promotion . Such an opportunity does not and will never
By the way, if you happen to find someone on a rustic attic Shishkin and redeem for 10,000 rubles , and then sell at auction a few more, then your buyer - goof ?

Dear , Joseph! In this article you did not specify a time frame of growth rates . When the time range includes work on promotion of the artist on the market, the more is the answer - why 60 times . No paradox ...

In the case of " attic Shishkin's painting " , " chode " "has turned the one who took the picture and failed to sell at a realistic price . Buyer also got her on the prevailing market price, as it does not exceed 60 times the ...

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Сообщение от iosif

Once again I would argue that today any good engineer \\\\ Programmer \\\\ chemist \\\\ biologist can make good money . In extreme cases - will wave to another city or country. A good specialist can always make good money .
On the artists it does not apply . About this paradox I'm saying.
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I would argue that today many artists , too bad zhivut.i make pretty good money ... at least not worse than the engineering of Representatives . And if you successfully go to another country ...

[iosif]

Buscador, you 're right about the time frame . The article clearly states - soon . Of course, after the promotion . About the paradox - in my opinion , it is still there. The product itself has not changed.
But the main point - that the auction " a fisherman in the reeds " was sold at the market price . At that time it has become such . Actually, the auction determines the market price. A marketer depends on it to grow (all other conditions remaining unchanged )