"Meeting .." Need help in the evaluation of paintings

[Oldmaps]

Сообщение от Jane Doe

No , Oldmaps, is not correct. Based on is almost the same as After. This is not a fundamental difference in this situation .

Help identify the correct term of art criticism for the category to which the given picture . As I understand it , at exhibiting this painting in the Russian auction will indicate the attribution of " imitation of Jean Hay "? or the picture falls into another category? (what ? )

[goldberg]

Do expertise, painting, perhaps older than the 19th century.
At these auctions, they still sit specialists ....

[Fed]

Сообщение от Oldmaps

term for the category

The later imitation of the Flemish masters of the 15th century.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Oldmaps; 2713161 "

Help to identify the correct term of art criticism for the category to which the given picture . As I understand it , at exhibiting this painting in the Russian auction will indicate the attribution of " imitation of Jean Hay "? or the picture falls into another category? (what ?)

Why , just a fake? In my opinion Jane Doe at the beginning of correctly identified it as a " compilation ." <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
That is - the finished piece are taken from one or more of the authors and have compiled a new composition .
 In this case - all fragmety copied exactly , but the composition is turned slurred .
In any case, this is a compilation . (which in Latin means - robbery ) <! - ~ 10 ~ ->

[khmelev]

and how much you want for this picture?

You pay some money in America.

It is necessary to hit a minimum.
So specify the price and on ...
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[Oldmaps]

Сообщение от goldberg

Do examination, the picture is probably older than the 19th century.
At these auctions, they still sit specialists ....

There seems to be looming possible period:


-2 Votes for the 19th century

-1 For 19/20

-1 For the (possible) before 19

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от khmelev

You have paid any money in America.

Realized: $ 1,750.00 [/COLOR][/B][/URL]

[Allena]

Сообщение от Oldmaps

there seems to be looming possible period:


-2 Votes for the 19th century

-1 For 19/20

-1 For the (possible) before 19

Oldmaps, just remember that no one, except you did not see the picture alive.
You need certainty, but in such a precarious basis, I'm afraid there would be some certainty is uncertain.

[Fed]

Сообщение от Allena

certainty there would be some vague

Another $ 300 and certainty would be insurmountable.

[Oldmaps]

Сообщение от redbor

Yes, an unsuccessful compilation, sv.Karla badly positioned. <! - ~ 10 ~ ->
It's been part of the altar in the Cathedral of the Virgin g.Mulen.
And on the "copy" turned out: Joachim and Anna kiss, and Carl, like, too, wants and Joachim repellent. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

The reason that Charlemagne Mulenskogo included in the composition of the triptych is that according to legend, the emperor in the year 792 personally found the remains of St. Anne. In short story is this: in connection with the prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem in 14 years after Jesus' death, the remains of St. Anne were transported and buried in the south of France. Subsequently, the burial place was forgotten. At 792g. Charles arrived at the opening of the new cathedral. During the opening ceremony of the deaf-mute 14-year-old boy suddenly became very agitated and began to show on one of the steps of the altar. Charles ordered the removal stage, beneath which showed a pass at the end of which rested the remains of St. Anne. The event was documented by a notary public and a report sent to the Emperor Pope LvuIII. Pope acknowledged his bull remains authentic.
Therefore, Jean Hay puts Carl in the left part of the triptych, near Joachim and Anne, the face-to-center - the Mother of God.
Later, the unknown, the wizard creates a copy of the LEFT (separate) part of the triptych. Now imagine that on this picture, which is a separate completed works of Charlemagne's back to Joachim and Anna, who are experiencing the greatest joy at the news, telling them to Angel impending birth of the Virgin Mary. The picture is very symbolic, and turning their backs Charles can express, contempt? indifference?
Unknown master pieces on a given picture is unique in the correct order: the parents of the Virgin in the center, and Charles left of them, turned to face them.
But it turns out "inverted" (mirror) copy. But can we call it a copy? That's why I liked the definition of "pastiche" (secondary product, is a continuation of a particular version of the story of the primary (copyright) while preserving the author's style, characters, setting, time of action, etc. (In contrast to the styling, allowing more freely interpret the source material pastiche imposes more stringent criteria for the author from the point of view of the introduction of additional characters and plot development).